King in Black (2020)

[Rang10]

Yes, this is what's so interesting. People have paralleled the X-men like that for a long time. Yet now they've taken a high minded comic book concept of giving them their own Utopia, which is wholly unfeasible for any real-world group. Is that the dream/goal? Instead of globalization, integration should we separate into our individual tribes? Again totally unrealistic in our world, but when Mutants are gods, you can pull it off.

I won't get into the hypocrisy of mutants society ostracizing mutants yet embracing other super-powered beings. That's why sometimes the X-men work better in their own universe because the world view often doesn't make sense in a world with the other heroes.

Well, society being hipocrital and having cognitive dissonance is very realistic

[Lucyinthesky]

Do not forget that mutants are not just people with the power to control the climate, change reality or read minds. There are mutants whose gene x provides only physical deformations, unviable skills for battle, among other things difficult to be called gifts or powers, not to mention children and normal mutants who have never had any involvement in battle. It is these mutants who need all the protection and support from the leaders of Krakoa, who have even disabled the activities of the X-Men. The X-Men name and team currently does not officially exist in Krakoa. They are all MUTANTS, some not as powerful as others. Magneto and Professor X stand as leaders of their people and not leaders of a group of superheroes.

Sorry about my english

Agreed

Cyclops plans on bringing back the X-men as a super hero team but for the time being they also must think about all their population not as soldiers but as civilians, with some exceptions, it´s actually the same for the Inhumans,Wakandans, Atlanteans, etc. Sure there´s a group prepared to fight off and battle as the best of them, S.W.O.R.D was developed for this same reason but this doesn´t mean they should just open themselves to an attack on all their population without any real plan to deal with the menace, it´s obvious they will not defeat knull just by sending every superpowered character to fight him when he already took down the celestials.

If the X-men were really hypocrites or didn´t care about the world they would not have been in communication with the Avengers or sending their people in the first attack.

There´s also editorial problem, because we know the X-men will not really deal with knull, it will be Eddie, Peter, Reed, T´Challa, Blade, Iron Man and Cap America, with the X-men maybe doing something on their side tie in to support them, so imo, this looks more like a cheap shot at the characters for no reason at all. I may be mistaken but it´s what it looks like for me.

The fact the X-men are seen now in a different light post Krakoa, we have also seen this on the X-men and FF4 crossover by the other marvel heros is an insteresting story but it´s one that deserves it´s own place to be told. Maybe marvel is building towards a future war between the heros and Krakoa. If that´s the case it will be interesting because while it may seem like they "stopped being heros" for caring about their ppl, it´s also a logical result of a decade of stories in which marvel has put the mutants over and over again to a near extinction level, so push off from them and a defensive possition from the other heros is expected but it will not be a villains vs heros story, it will be more like civil war, just between the X-men and the Avengers and maybe the FF4.

[Rang10]

Krakoa wasn't asked to send every superpowered being to the fight, but they need to sendo more help, that is obvious.
They were asked to open the gate to evacuate people and whatever heroes are out there. Of course they are far more interested in saving Krakoa than saving the world.
Blade was very right to call them out on that

[Lucyinthesky]

I think they are interested in saving both otherwise they would not have been part of the first line of defense.

[SwordOfArakko]

Krakoa is a sentient being. His portals were made for access by humans with gene x or humans accompanied by other mutants, and even then only those previously authorized by Krakoa. It doesn't just depend on the will of Charles, Erik, Scott or whoever.

[Rang10]

Krakoa is a sentient being. His portals were made for access by humans with gene x or humans accompanied by other mutants, and even then only those previously authorized by Krakoa. It doesn't just depend on the will of Charles, Erik, Scott or whoever.

They can ask krakoa to open the gates for humans, nothing impossible to do

[Lucyinthesky]

If Knull forces already are covering all of earth it would make more sense to make a evacuation to another planet or satellite otherwise it´s the same thing if they are on Krakoa or in other country on earth.

[SwordOfArakko]

Simply opening the gates opens up endless possibilities for an attack on Krakoa. An anti-mutant group using this opportunity to infiltrate and injure innocent mutants is one example.
But the evil mutants are the worst species for thinking about themselves after decades of death and extermination.
Is anyone asking the Black Panther to open the borders of Wakanda? He's there in the same room ...

[Rang10]

Simply opening the gates opens up endless possibilities for an attack on Krakoa. An anti-mutant group using this opportunity to infiltrate and injure innocent mutants is one example.
But the evil mutants are the worst species for thinking about themselves after decades of death and extermination.
Is anyone asking the Black Panther to open the borders of Wakanda? He's there in the same room ...

Wakanda doesn't have the portals to every country in the world, only krakoa has. I doubt there is anti-mutant groups that survived the fight against Knull and mutants can't be permanently killed

[Huntsman Spider]

Yes, this is what's so interesting. People have paralleled the X-men like that for a long time. Yet now they've taken a high minded comic book concept of giving them their own Utopia, which is wholly unfeasible for any real-world group. Is that the dream/goal? Instead of globalization, integration should we separate into our individual tribes? Again totally unrealistic in our world, but when Mutants are gods, you can pull it off.

I won't get into the hypocrisy of society ostracizing mutants yet embracing other super-powered beings. That's why sometimes the X-men work better in their own universe because the world view often doesn't make sense in a world with the other heroes.

Also a fair point. While the ideal, especially in times of crisis, should be to come together as "one single tribe," it is an unfortunate reality that a sustained history of animosity between tribalized groups or factions can lead people to believe separation, whether temporary or permanent, would be the better option. Of course, everyone existing on Earth is tied together, interconnected and interdependent, and no one is an island unto themselves regardless of their individual capabilities.

As for the overall inconsistency, or hypocrisy, of the general public in the MU fearing and hating mutants (even and perhaps especially the X-Men) yet embracing nonmutant superheroes like the Avengers and Fantastic Four, my (not entirely original) take is that the fear and hate of mutants somewhat parallels fears in real life around America's longstanding majority being predicted to become a minority population within about two or three decades from now. In a nutshell, mutants stand in for inevitable and accelerating changes in society that many in the real world fear will lead to their own irrelevancy at best, if not their very demise at worst.

[Lucyinthesky]

Before we go into"the mutants can get over death so it´s fine mentality" it´s not better think about how the defeat knull? If mutants die on Krakoa then most of the humans who are evacuated there will also die and they can´t be brought back, if the superheros don´t worry about building an effective defense for their refuge.

[SwordOfArakko]

Anti-mutant groups wouldn't be fighting Knull, they just attack mutants, that's how they work in MU.
And I don't think this mentality is right just because they can't be killed permanently "it's all ok if they are killed", there is no justification for putting an entire nation at risk for a race that has a history of causing damage to mutants. Krakoa is a nation, not a superhero base.

[Ferro]

They can ask krakoa to open the gates for humans, nothing impossible to do

The portals run on a system that is inheritly conected to krakoa and computer systems run by sage and black tom, messing with the portals causes immense distress to krakoa by that logic they can't just open the portals to humans because they aren't meant to work that way, it's literaly impossible without harming krakoa, OR damaging the safety of the gates.

And the island would probably say no, all that stress and modifications for a people that aren't even good for substance?

If blade was smart hed ask for mutant teleporters, not the bio organic constructs that specifically designed not to work on humans.

[your_name_here]

Only just got around to reading #2. It...wasn’t bad. Cates works hard to make every tie in feel worth it - but maybe possibly to the detriment of this title. I thought we’d have a little more balls to the wall none-stop action in this issue/event.

Still excited to where we will go. There’s SO MUCH to do in just 3 more issues in order to make Knull a credible threat and not just a villain that turned up then 5 minutes later got defeated.

[Rang10]

Anti-mutant groups wouldn't be fighting Knull, they just attack mutants, that's how they work in MU.
And I don't think this mentality is right just because they can't be killed permanently "it's all ok if they are killed", there is no justification for putting an entire nation at risk for a race that has a history of causing damage to mutants. Krakoa is a nation, not a superhero base.

Anti-mutants have to fight Knull or they gonna die. At best hide in some anti-war very deep bunker would buy them time

They can't be killed permanently, so they can risk a lot more than just humans. But prefer to not do it

The portals run on a system that is inheritly conected to krakoa and computer systems run by sage and black tom, messing with the portals causes immense distress to krakoa by that logic they can't just open the portals to humans because they aren't meant to work that way, it's literaly impossible without harming krakoa, OR damaging the safety of the gates.

And the island would probably say no, all that stress and modifications for a people that aren't even good for substance?

If blade was smart hed ask for mutant teleporters, not the bio organic constructs that specifically designed not to work on humans.

I doubt that Krakoa would send any teleporters.

The portals work on humans, they just need to allow humans get past it without mutants needed as a guide