Rorschach Maxiseries announced: Tom King and Jorge Fornes.

[Nite-Wing]

Cancel Culture is a value in today's society
But you can't use it haphazardly and rush to judge someone without at least some facts.
Having said that no one should want their name anywhere near comicsgate, EVS is a raging dumpster fire and even coming close to his work will get you caught up

[Steel Inquisitor]

This is disappointing to hear. I get that his day was ruined by this, I get that he's angry about what King did and how the internet reacted, I get that he was caught off-guard by this - I understand and sympathise with that. What's disappointing is he refuses to learn why this happened, how to avoid this occurring in the future or acknowledge the controversial subject or what his thoughts are on it. There is no discussion. EVS was an established talent at the Big Two for years and his downfall was well known, being ignorant only goes so far. What if Vox Dei wants him to do a cover? Will he react like this?

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/jae-...-not-all-good/

Two weeks ago, June and I took Loki to San Diego to see a specialist. He did not survive due to complications from the surgery. This past Friday was supposed to be a day of mourning. We were back in San Diego to pick up his ashes. We were going to take him to the beach and comfort each other by sharing our favorite stories about our little boy.

Instead, a part of the internet I avoid like the plague came barging in. I had companies I'm working for calling me, friends reaching out to me. I'm seeing hate pouring out of strangers' mouths, accusing me of things I have no knowledge of.

I'm seeing first hand how fast lies are spreading. Let me be clear, I'm not part of ANY group.

We never made it to the beach. We spent the entire six hour drive back home on an emotional roller coaster.

I'm writing this because I'm angry. These irresponsible tweets are not harmless. They do not just go away. They have real world consequences. They can take away your job. Your life. Your memories. June and I were robbed of a special day. So, no, we're not "all good."

This isn't the start of a conversation. This is the end. So please, don't drag me into a world I never wanted to be a part of, nor will I ever want to be a part of.

[Anthony W]

This. Anyone dealing with EVS needs to be brought up to speed. Honestly, at this point I think the big companies just need to do a mandatory seminar or pamphlet or something explaining what EVS and his -gate is. Ignorance can only be an excuse for so long.

Look at this from the company's perspective. This can be written off as an isolated incident of a busybody freelancer going after another freelancer. Someone will have a little talk with King. DC stays above it.

Just the way DC likes it.

Now let's talk about in your words, "the big companies". DC is the number two publisher after Marvel. Every Indy company is treading water. If DC or Marvel fall, it's game over. DC and Marvel knows this, and if Tom King didn't know this I have a feeling that someone at DC will be along shortly to explain this to him.

You really think that DC didn't know that Lee did a cover for EVS? Of course they did. They just didn't care.

[HsssH]

What's disappointing is he refuses to learn why this happened, how to avoid this occurring in the future or acknowledge the controversial subject or what his thoughts are on it.

Amazing, Tom King acts like an ******* and its the other guy that needs to learn a lesson here.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Amazing, Tom King acts like an ******* and its the other guy that needs to learn a lesson here.

I said in a previous post that King shouldn't have done that, they both not looking good here. How is Jae Lee "good" in this situation? He appears more upset that King told people he did a cover for a hate group, rather than being being upset that he wasn't told privately and that he's upset his work is being represented by a hate group. And he knew that King doing was going to made him look bad yet not discuss why that was bad for business. The least he could do is openly condemn the hate group in question, it's not difficult.

[Killerbee911]

Amazing, Tom King acts like an ******* and its the other guy that needs to learn a lesson here.

The other guy does need to learn a lesson the fact that he goes out of his way not be involved things doesn't absolve him completely of knowing who he is working with and what they represent. King was wrong especially since he had access to Jae Lee apparently and could have done same homework he did after before he spoke BUT Jae lee hiding behind oh he didn't know is also not good enough. Some of that is the Comic Industry,DC and Jae Lee himself. I get how toxic the internet can be and respect anyone for avoiding it but he was clear taken advantage of because he wasn't knowledgeable on this issue. Self inflicted lack of knowledge is his fault.

This isn't all or nothing argument. You can be proud of King stood up against hate and disappointed that he didn't make sure Jae was innocent in his connection before talking. You can proud that Jae lee is standing up for himself and his right to be involved in stupid internet f'ckery and disappointed that his avoidance of fckery made him have lack of knowledge of who he was indirectly supporting . And lets be 100% clear while people are trying to jump on Tom King now, that Jae Lee isn't going to do covers with them ever again understanding what they are now. If people think King is biggest issue here and not the people who have peddle hate I don't know what to say about that.

[charliehustle415]

The other guy does need to learn a lesson the fact that he goes out of his way not be involved things doesn't absolve him completely of knowing who he is working with and what they represent. King was wrong especially since he had access to Jae Lee apparently and could have done same homework he did after before he spoke BUT Jae lee hiding behind oh he didn't know is also not good enough. Some of that is the Comic Industry,DC and Jae Lee himself. I get how toxic the internet can be and respect anyone for avoiding it but he was clear taken advantage of because he wasn't knowledgeable on this issue. Self inflicted lack of knowledge is his fault.

This isn't all or nothing argument. You can be proud of King stood up against hate and disappointed that he didn't make sure Jae was innocent in his connection before talking. You can proud that Jae lee is standing up for himself and his right to be involved in stupid internet f'ckery and disappointed that his avoidance of fckery made him have lack of knowledge of who he was indirectly supporting . And lets be 100% clear while people are trying to jump on Tom King now, that Jae Lee isn't going to do covers with them ever again understanding what they are now. If people think King is biggest issue here and not the people who have peddle hate I don't know what to say about that.

A: "You're under arrest for drug dealing!"

B: "What, I'm innocent I just moved here from abroad!"

A: "Oh, but don't you know there are a lot of drug dealers who live here, you should know better!"

B: "Shouldn't you know who a person is before you arrest them?"

A: "Well, I assumed because you live in this area."

B: "So, I have to make sure a place is completely crime free; lest I get accused of criminality!"

A: "Now you're getting it."

[Killerbee911]

A: "You're under arrest for drug dealing!"

B: "What, I'm innocent I just moved here from abroad!"

A: "Oh, but don't you know there are a lot of drug dealers who live here, you should know better!"

B: "Shouldn't you know who a person is before you arrest them?"

A: "Well, I assumed because you live in this area."

B: "So, I have to make sure a place is completely crime free; lest I get accused of criminality!"

A: "Now you're getting it."

Once again self inflicted lack of knowledge doesn't completely excuse a problem. You move to place and don't research what it is like who fault is that?

Again arguments don't have to be ALL OR NOTHING. They can be wrong false accusing you AND you can be wrong for your lack of knowledge. Huge problem on the internet that people think they are in World Warcraft and you have pick side to be on and only that side. It is fair to mention were BOTH people messed up. It is fair mention an issue even if it is smaller than bigger issue like Tom King false accusation is the bigger deal in this case.

[charliehustle415]

Once again self inflicted lack of knowledge doesn't completely excuse a problem. You move to place and don't research what it is like who fault is that?

Again arguments don't have to be ALL OR NOTHING. They can be wrong false accusing you AND you can be wrong for your lack of knowledge.

Person A = Cop

Person B = Person of Color

[Steel Inquisitor]

Person A = Cop

Person B = Person of Color

That's not a good example of what's going on, do you know who EVS is?

[charliehustle415]

That's not a good example of what's going on, do you know who EVS is?

Person A: A Couple of Good Ol' Boys

Person B: Black Jogger (who innocently looked inside a construction site)

*I'm assuming you're asking because Lee was perceived of being guilty for doing something*

[charliehustle415]

That's not a good example of what's going on, do you know who EVS is?

It doesn't matter if I know who he is or not; the assumption of guilt is the issue at hand.

A innocent person of color was nearly tarred and feathered by a overzealous white man and I'll reiterate in a time when more POCs are needed in the industry this is beyond horrible.

[Steel Inquisitor]

It doesn't matter if I know who he is or not; the assumption of guilt is the issue at hand.

You should to know how serious the allegation is, and while it was an assumption it wasn't as cut and dry as your examples were. What King did was wrong, he shouldn't have rushed to judgment but this didn't excuse Jae's reaction.

I'll take this that you don't know who EVS is or why he's controversial. I'm just puzzled why you don't think it matters.

A innocent person of color was nearly tarred and feathered by a overzealous white man and I'll reiterate in a time when more POCs are needed in the industry this is beyond horrible.

True, except that's not the whole story. You're right, POC's need to be protected in the comics industry - which is why Jae's statement about them is so mind boggling. The group EVS works for is a big reason why marginalised groups are being attacked in the industry right now. That, in fact, was what King was trying to do because hate groups shouldn't be supported, he just didn't do it properly. Why did you think Jae's response was ok?

[charliehustle415]

You should to know how serious the allegation is, and while it was an assumption it wasn't as cut and dry as your examples were. What King did was wrong, he shouldn't have rushed to judgment but this didn't excuse Jae's reaction.

I'll take this that you don't know who EVS is or why he's controversial. I'm just puzzled why you don't think it matters.



True, except that's not the whole story. You're right, POC's need to be protected in the comics industry - which is why Jae's statement about them is so mind boggling. The group EVS works for is a big reason why marginalised groups are being attacked in the industry right now. That, in fact, was what King was trying to do because hate groups shouldn't be supported, he just didn't do it properly. Why did you think Jae's response was ok?

Quote from Lee:

"... I'm writing this because I'm angry. These irresponsible tweets are not harmless. They do not just go away. They have real world consequences. They can take away your job. Your life. Your memories... So please, don't drag me into a world I never wanted to be a part of, nor will I ever want to be a part of."

Lee is plainly saying his career could have ended from a accusation, but not just a accusation, but a accusation from a superstar writer. King wields so much power that a simple accusation can set fire to a person's life. King has clout in comicdom as well as Hollywood, he is currently working with Ava DuVernay on The New Gods movie.

So, these words aren't the words of a troll but bombs from a superpower.

Further, he says he is not part of the online cesspool so how can he possibly know what's going on. It's similar to JRR Martin who only uses LiveJournal and still uses a typewriter.

We comic fans KNOW that with great power comes great responsibility.

And, for me, King in this regard is wanting.

[achilles]

This is disappointing to hear. I get that his day was ruined by this, I get that he's angry about what King did and how the internet reacted, I get that he was caught off-guard by this - I understand and sympathise with that. What's disappointing is he refuses to learn why this happened, how to avoid this occurring in the future or acknowledge the controversial subject or what his thoughts are on it. There is no discussion. EVS was an established talent at the Big Two for years and his downfall was well known, being ignorant only goes so far. What if Vox Dei wants him to do a cover? Will he react like this?

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/jae-...-not-all-good/

I don't get what Lee is supposed to have done wrong here. He was wronged intentionally by another person in the industry, who wields way more power than he has. He naturally complained, in what seems like a very mild fashion. I might not have been so diplomatic. He's blameless here AFAIK, minding his own business like you should, and then getting hit by this guy.