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    Wonder Woman was gifted by 4 goddesses and 3 gods. Aphrodite, Athena, Artemis, Hera, Zues, Apollo, and Hermes.

    Any idea what powers Hera and Apollo blessed Diana with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zahina View Post
    Wonder Woman was gifted by 4 goddesses and 3 gods. Aphrodite, Athena, Artemis, Hera, Zues, Apollo, and Hermes.

    Any idea what powers Hera and Apollo blessed Diana with?
    Huh. I had always assumed the mouse was Demeter, but looking things up, I think you're right. That setup of gods giving blessings is most definitely a step back from the one that Pérez used. Though it'd be fun if Wonder Woman writers decided to lean into that Apollo is bisexual.

    The powers that Diana demonstrates later on are flight, strength, speed, and animal communication. She also demonstrates great empathy later on. Flight and speed are probably as in Pérez, from Hermes. Strength was by Demeter, and none of the ones in Rucka's set really fits here. Aphrodite would probably be empathy. Artemis animal communication.

    But Apollo, Hera, and Zeus are rather unclear.
    «Speaking generally, it is because of the desire of the tragic poets for the marvellous that so varied and inconsistent an account of Medea has been given out» (Diodorus Siculus, The Library of History [4.56.1])

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    As far as I can recall, Apollo wasn't involved:

    Owl = Athena
    Dove = Aphrodite
    Deer= Artemis
    Falcon = Demeter
    Mouse = Hephaestus
    Tortoise = Hermes
    Peacock = Hera

    It's also ambiguous in year One at least how much of a role Zeus plays in Diana's power. Rucka may have been subtly trying to write it as if the clay birth was still intact even if he couldn't come right out and say it, so Diana doesn't seem to have gotten any powers from her lineage to Zeus. Which isn't unheard of, not all of Zeus's kids got powers like Heracles.

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    Going off previous origins and powers Rucka displayed

    Athena: Wisdom
    Aphrodite: Usually empathy and beauty but doesn't really work outside of a clay origin because she seemed to already have that.
    Demeter: Strength
    Hermes: Speed/Flight
    Artemis: Enhanced senses/can talk to animals

    Don't know about Apollo, since I don't think he was there. Maybe a healing factor since Apollo was also a patron of medicine before becoming more associated with the Sun.
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    The mouse is associated with Apollo. Hephaestus is associated with the donkey.

    Unless Rucka messed up, and intended Demeter to be the mouse.
    «Speaking generally, it is because of the desire of the tragic poets for the marvellous that so varied and inconsistent an account of Medea has been given out» (Diodorus Siculus, The Library of History [4.56.1])

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    Hestia: Healing and the fires of truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjn View Post
    The mouse is associated with Apollo. Hephaestus is associated with the donkey.

    Unless Rucka messed up, and intended Demeter to be the mouse.
    He may have messed up, because Diana describes Hephaestus as the mouse the next morning to Barbara.

    Though the mouse is also shown next to Barbara before her discovery of Lyssipe's tomb when she's at the dig, which seems more like an Apollo act.

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    Yeah, it's a bit messed up. Diana mentions Demeter, but I don't see any snake or pig. The mouse is mostly associated with Apollo by the Greeks, but my initial guess was that the mouse was Demeter, but per Diana it should be Hephaestus (who the Greeks associated with the donkey).

    So I guess Rucka left a bigger mess about Diana's powers than Pérez did…
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    Her powers have generally been fairly consistent.

    Demeter, goddess of the earth and harvest - Godlike strength/durability/resilience
    Hermes, messenger of the Gods - Godlike speed/flight
    Artemis, goddess of the hunt - Godlike reflexes/eyes of the huntress
    (New) Apollo, god of the sun and healing - Godlike healing factor
    Aphrodite, goddess of beauty - stunning beauty/empathy
    Athena, goddess of wisdom and warfare - great wisdom/powerful mind
    (New) Zeus, king of the Gods - lightning manipulation

    Apollo is relatively new, same with Zeus and Hera. But, while I can potentially explain Apollo and Zeus, I cant say the same for Hera. Maybe Hera gave her and overall stat boost? Herakles got his godly power not just from being Zeus's son but, also from drinking Hera's breast milk after Athena pulled a sneaky on Hera when Herc was a baby.

    There is also Hecate, with Diana's witch mode and magic powers. I don't know where she would fit in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjn View Post
    Yeah, it's a bit messed up. Diana mentions Demeter, but I don't see any snake or pig. The mouse is mostly associated with Apollo by the Greeks, but my initial guess was that the mouse was Demeter, but per Diana it should be Hephaestus (who the Greeks associated with the donkey).

    So I guess Rucka left a bigger mess about Diana's powers than Pérez did…
    Demeter is meant to be the bird that isn't the peacock (Hera), dove (Aphrodite) or owl (Athena). Not sure what type it is, but she's there.

    It's not really a mess of Diana's powers. Demeter, Hermes and Artemis are still giving her the powers they did before, Aphrodite and Athena's powers were always sort of nebulous anyway, and I think Hera is just there to oversee everything like how they were hoping she'd back them in the Perez run (apparently she is here). Hephaestus seems to pretty much take Hestia's place; I'd prefer Hestia, but I think Hephaestus is more associated with fire in general than just hearth fire, so in a way he makes more sense.

    Two of the animals for two of the Gods being odd choices seems to be the only mix up, but it's not much of one.

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    There are two problems with Demeter being the eagle. The first is that the eagle is nearly exclusively associated with Zeus (you can make a case of Prometheus, but it'd look weird). The second is that Demeter is a Chthonic goddess, that is, associated with the underworld. I can maybe see her being represented by a grain-eating low-flying bird, but even that would be a stretch. An eagle? No way.

    As for removing Hestia in favour of Hephaestus, I don't like it. One, Hestia was—from a cultic everyday perspective—arguably the most important of all the Olympians. Two, it removes the focus of the Amazons as being the creation of the Olympian goddesses. I have absolutely nothing against reinterpretation or reframing of classical myths in Wonder Woman's mythos, but I posit that any such should be made with a feminist lens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjn View Post
    There are two problems with Demeter being the eagle. The first is that the eagle is nearly exclusively associated with Zeus (you can make a case of Prometheus, but it'd look weird). The second is that Demeter is a Chthonic goddess, that is, associated with the underworld. I can maybe see her being represented by a grain-eating low-flying bird, but even that would be a stretch. An eagle? No way.

    As for removing Hestia in favour of Hephaestus, I don't like it. One, Hestia was—from a cultic everyday perspective—arguably the most important of all the Olympians. Two, it removes the focus of the Amazons as being the creation of the Olympian goddesses. I have absolutely nothing against reinterpretation or reframing of classical myths in Wonder Woman's mythos, but I posit that any such should be made with a feminist lens.
    Of all the male Gods I think Hephaestus would be the one they'd build a temple for, maybe Asclepius too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masterwitcher88 View Post
    Of all the male Gods I think Hephaestus would be the one they'd build a temple for, maybe Asclepius too.
    Based on how many polytheistic religions work, and how I'd like to see the relation between the Amazons and the Patrons, they wouldn't really have temples as we think of it. Rather, a hospital would be a temple to Apollo (or as I'd see it, Hestia and Artemis), a smithy to Hephaestus, a mill to Demeter, a library to Athena, and so on. There would be a shrine in every building.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masterwitcher88 View Post
    There is also Hecate, with Diana's witch mode and magic powers. I don't know where she would fit in.
    Does Wonder Woman still have the witch mode and magic powers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zahina View Post
    Does Wonder Woman still have the witch mode and magic powers?
    No, I think that was removed at the end of "The Witching Hour" when Hecate was destroyed and Circe took those powers.

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