X-Men / Fantastic Four #4 Previews

[Steel Inquisitor]

Forge was reprimanded and condemned for that by the X-Men for several years. Storm herself never entirely forgave him, even in the current Hickman run.

Why has Magneto getting a pass? He created that technology. Forge just improved his designs.

In either case, as Hickman's run pointed out, Forge's technological skill is not Omega level, i.e. it has a fixed definable upper-limit which can be surpassed by Reed Richards and Tony Stark.

So? He's still built technology which can be used against mutants. He repaired a damaged Nimrod, as well.

What that means is that the X-Men have found ways to counter and overpower the use of Forge's tech owing to them updating their stuff and capacities. But the X-Men don't have any means by themselves to update and counter Reed Richards' stuff, so his inventions pose a far greater existential threat to them.

Maybe don't deliberately antagonise those people then, try working with them instead of making them enemies.

[Agent Z]

Reed Richards is not god. He is not omnipotent (all-powerful), omniscient (all-knowing), omnipresent (present everywhere at once).
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Neither is Xavier.

[jackolover]

Reeds been doing it for a long time. It was nice you picked that out phantom.

[BroHomo]

lol all this grasping Im surprised some folks can still type...lol

So? He's still built technology which can be used against mutants. He repaired a damaged Nimrod, as well..

Forge built a weapon at the request of the government when to use against the Demon/Aliens that were on the verge of invading. It neutralizes a person...ANY person's powers, not alter their DNA. One of the only times it was used Forge was horrified at the results. He didn't even want to use it in the first place+You don't see everybody and their damn mamma mold using it.
His weapon and Reeds are totally different.
Reed was just fvcking around in the lab creating genocidal weapons....There was no urgent need for ex XGene gun, Just no so bigotry-free parents freaking out cause their kid is hanging with mutants instead of upstanding citizens like Dr. Doom...Molecule Man. The gun pretty much is the worst kinda Genetically altering substance. It rips out what makes You, You. It would be like someone creating a gun that stops a guy from getting an erection, then someone creating a gun that stops Black guys from getting an erection. You see the difference? Reed's gun has that same ick-factor.
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Idk if you read X-comics but mutants are using the gates to escape world that is not always so keen about them being around. From Angry Mobs, Religious fanatics, Sentinels. The gates have been escorting fleeing mutants to safety. If a hate mongering group were in pursuit of a mutant, and that mutant was just about to step into a gate and onto KraKoan soil all the Hate Group would need is Reed's gun and that escape route is then cut off from that mutant.

Maybe don't deliberately antagonise those people then, try working with them instead of making them enemies.

lol What the hell did the X-men Do that would justify Reed creating his anit Mutant Gun. But I mean seriously even if they did his first response is to create a weapon fundmentally alters a certain group of peoples DNA, than The Xmen are better off without him.

Neither is Xavier.

Oooohkay not sure where that was implied or what that would even be applicable to. Buuuut I mean with Cerebro hes def a lot closer than Reed.

[Iron Maiden]

Reed Anti Mutant Gun??? Genocidal Weapons? What comic were you reading? Have you even read any Fantastic Four comics?

[Chris0013]

Reed Anti Mutant Gun??? Genocidal Weapons? What comic were you reading? Have you even read any Fantastic Four comics?

You stop using reason, logic and facts...

[Iron Maiden]

You stop using reason, logic and facts...

I know...what was I thinking

[Steel Inquisitor]

lol all this grasping Im surprised some folks can still type...lol

Forge built a weapon at the request of the government when to use against the Demon/Aliens that were on the verge of invading. It neutralizes a person...ANY person's powers, not alter their DNA. One of the only times it was used Forge was horrified at the results. He didn't even want to use it in the first place+You don't see everybody and their damn mamma mold using it.
His weapon and Reeds are totally different.

Magneto built mutant power dampening technology specifically to be weapons against the X-men to hurt them, when they were teenagers. This and Forge is a double standard simply because they are mutants.

Reed was just fvcking around in the lab creating genocidal weapons....There was no urgent need for ex XGene gun, Just no so bigotry-free parents freaking out cause their kid is hanging with mutants instead of upstanding citizens like Dr. Doom...Molecule Man. The gun pretty much is the worst kinda Genetically altering substance. It rips out what makes You, You. It would be like someone creating a gun that stops a guy from getting an erection, then someone creating a gun that stops Black guys from getting an erection. You see the difference? Reed's gun has that same ick-factor.

That's what Xavier thinks, he's wrong. For someone who claims to want twi protect mutant kind his actions about protecting his fellow mutants from being detected by Sentinel technology speaks volumes that he's not doing this for the right reasons. DR. Doom isn't a family friend, but Magneto is to Xavier. These days they're like twins. He let's Apocalypse abuse his former students without blinking.

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Idk if you read X-comics but mutants are using the gates to escape world that is not always so keen about them being around. From Angry Mobs, Religious fanatics, Sentinels. The gates have been escorting fleeing mutants to safety. If a hate mongering group were in pursuit of a mutant, and that mutant was just about to step into a gate and onto KraKoan soil all the Hate Group would need is Reed's gun and that escape route is then cut off from that mutant.

Except this technology could be helpful in evading Sentinels, and mutant detection technology. It could also be modified to allow for gate travel. Xavier wants a war with Reed over this, and he's not going to like the results. Xavier's putting mutant kind in danger here.

lol What the hell did the X-men Do that would justify Reed creating his anit Mutant Gun. But I mean seriously even if they did his first response is to create a weapon fundmentally alters a certain group of peoples DNA, than The Xmen are better off without him.

It wasn't an anti-mutant gun, it protected the x-gene from being detected. These aren't the X-men, it's the Krakoan government and it's alarming that they're ok letting Sentinels find them with ease. Maybe they truly are taken over by the Dominion by now.

Oooohkay not sure where that was implied or what that would even be applicable to. Buuuut I mean with Cerebro hes def a lot closer than Reed.

So you do believe Xavier is a god.

[Zelena]

So you do believe Xavier is a god.

He certainly behaves like one, lately…
All of this annoys me a lot… Xavier did questionable things in the past but he never used his powers when he could talk and make compromises. And he didn’t brag about it neither. The Richards are not enemies.
It’s a cheap retcon, that’s all what it is.

[Alan2099]

Forge built a weapon at the request of the government when to use against the Demon/Aliens that were on the verge of invading. It neutralizes a person...ANY person's powers, not alter their DNA. One of the only times it was used Forge was horrified at the results. He didn't even want to use it in the first place+You don't see everybody and their damn mamma mold using it.
His weapon and Reeds are totally different.

You're right. It is different. Forge built a weapon that could be used against mutants to strip away their powers and gave it to the government.
Reed build a device that could prevent the mutant gene from being detected and used it to protect his own son.

Reed was just fvcking around in the lab creating genocidal weapons....There was no urgent need for ex XGene gun, Just no so bigotry-free parents freaking out cause their kid is hanging with mutants instead of upstanding citizens like Dr. Doom...Molecule Man. The gun pretty much is the worst kinda Genetically altering substance. It rips out what makes You, You. It would be like someone creating a gun that stops a guy from getting an erection, then someone creating a gun that stops Black guys from getting an erection. You see the difference? Reed's gun has that same ick-factor.

Admit it. You didn't read the comic at all, did you?

Idk if you read X-comics but mutants are using the gates to escape world that is not always so keen about them being around. From Angry Mobs, Religious fanatics, Sentinels.

And you wonder why a father might not want those people to be able to track down his son?

The gates have been escorting fleeing mutants to safety. If a hate mongering group were in pursuit of a mutant, and that mutant was just about to step into a gate and onto KraKoan soil all the Hate Group would need is Reed's gun and that escape route is then cut off from that mutant.

And I bet if they had Captain America's Shield and Ironman's armor they could REALLY do damage to that mutant!

You know what they're a lot more likely to have than Reed's "gun". An actual gun. And if they shoot a mutant, odds are they aren't getting to Krakoa either.

... but first they would have to FIND the mutant and Reed's device makes that's much harder.

lol What the hell did the X-men Do that would justify Reed creating his anit Mutant Gun.

Apocalypse, Magneto, and Mr. Sinister would be justification enough.

But I mean seriously even if they did his first response is to create a weapon fundmentally alters a certain group of peoples DNA, than The Xmen are better off without him.

Yeah, you never read the comic.

[kilderkin]

From what I have seen this book's ending typifies why i stopped reading and caring about the X-Men years ago

[phantom1592]

Technically a minor running away from home is a matter for child services. They would wonder why a child felt the need to leave his parents home and so on.

Maybe Xavier should call child services on Reed and Sue for repeated endangerment of their kids on fantastic adventures, and the fact that their unconscious mutantphobia is clearly creating a difficult home environment.
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LOL... Yeah, Xavier doesn't want to pull on that thread!

He's made a lifetime out of convincing parents to let him take their children for the noble and reasonable goal of teaching them how to control their powers.... for the safety of themselves and to integrate into the world around them.




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And routinely take field trips for suicide missions against Evil mutant terrorists who can crack the world in half... in space.


I have a pretty strong feeling Chuck has mind wiped his fair share of parents and child protective service agents in his career because THAT is never shown in his recruitment speeches :P

[Iron Maiden]

and on top of that Charles had lust in his heart for the teen-aged Jean

[Jabare]

well this story was underwhelming

[ShaunN]

Just read a terrible article on the CBR main site by someone named Bickham saying that Sue Storm now realizes what the X-Men "really are" -"Heroes." The article is just terrible - it doesn't appear that the writer actually read to the end of the comic, where Xavier and Magneto reveal just how twisted and villainous they actually are. I doubt that Sue Storm would label them "heroes" if she knew that they partially lobotomized her husband.

Again, the current X-Men are a racist cult. I think that defending their increasingly indefensible actions is acting as a kind of Rorschach test for the reader - how far are you willing to go to defend/rationalize something that cannot really be rationalized? But I am somewhat unhappy that Hickman has launched this interpretation of the X-Men at the same time that, in the real world. Trump supporters are marching in the streets and ethno-nationalism is on the rise across the world. A lot of what the X-Men believe could easily be said by a white supremacist marching in Charlottesville. I assume that Hickman understands all of this -indeed, that his overall arc may be a commentary on it - but it is still disturbing to see this play out in a fictional world where what I assume is the subtlety of Hickman's approach is playing out very slowly. Of course, I know nothing about Hickman or his politics. Maybe my assumptions about where he is going with all this are wrong.

BTW, I know that Hickman himself did not write this series, but I assume that the endgame of his arc on the X-Men is informing the series and is being furthered by the overall plot.