Easy. Elaine Belloc.
Certainly not the most important to us outside the fiction(That's a slam dunk to Wonder Woman), but she became The Presence and creation is founded in her being. Nothing's more powerful than everything.
Easy. Elaine Belloc.
Certainly not the most important to us outside the fiction(That's a slam dunk to Wonder Woman), but she became The Presence and creation is founded in her being. Nothing's more powerful than everything.
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.....technically, since Morrison's multiverse map still seems to be as close to an authority as we have, I'm pretty sure the Presence and heaven are located in the god sphere. Which means, even if the Presence is more powerful than the other beings in that cosmic ring (seems to be, far as I see it), at the very least Monitor space and the Overvoid stand above it.
Just nitpickin'
"We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another, as if we were one single tribe."
~ Black Panther.
Technically, the Presence does not reside in Heaven.
The Presence resides everywhere simultaneously and also in The Silver City, which is not Heaven and also not part of the Order of Created Things (per Neil Gaiman).
I've heard that the Source, Overvoid, and Presence are different aspects of the same thing.
Then there is The Writer, who is seemingly above everything.
Why?
When did something like that happen?
Kal-L was initially weaker, but his powers took longer to evolve, but than he became as strong as Silver-Age Superman.
Actually I would rank the Earth 2 counterparts MUCH HIGHER than the "normal" Earth Ones.
Kal-L>>>>>>>>>>Kal-El
Power Girl>>>>>>Supergirl
I dont know about her debut, but I know that she was rebooted into being ATLANTEAN...
I think in Crisis on Infinite Earths Kal-L showed that he surpassed Kal-El.
She surpassed Diana in strength, but she isnt as trained as her is...
Why are people considering Females like Starfire or Mera here?????????????
Miss Martian,Bombshell,Zatanna,Raven completely outclass them...
1. Like I said KRYPTONIANS ARE EQUAL, BUT!!!! Clark has the luck to be almost born here on Earth with a yellow sun, so he absorbed much sunlight which makes him so strong.
It says NOTHING about him as individual, if Zod would have been send to Earth as baby he would be as strong as Clark-but better trained.
2. RAVEN surpass them all, but not Diana...
NO!
Power Girl is stronger than Diana, BUT Diana is better trained and they gave her (which is annoying also a kind of resistance to heat vision).
Strength:
Power Girl>Diana
Invulnerability
Power Girl>Diana
Powers
Power Girl>Diana
Skills
Diana>Power Girl
No-OVERALL gets clearly to RAVEN, then come MISS MARTIAN, ZATANNA, BOMBSHELL...
But YES-Earth 2 has the stronger Kryptonians (ORIGINAL ONES not current Superman of Earth 2)
Again. There are no feats to support your claim. And Superman is above most kryptonians. Because outside of what are just speculations. He has by far the best catalogue of feats. And at the end of the day, quantifiable evidence>speculations. Diana's power feats are not lacking compared to PG. On the contrary, they are better overall. So there is a valid reason to say WW>PG.
I'm not up on my superman lore, but I think Cythonna would be the most powerful, she is after all a Kryptonian god that slapped Superman around like a little boy.
As for others....at one point Powergirl had her powers depreciated but I'm sure that got wiped out many years ago in a reboot. I fail to see how a Kryptonian woman/clone would be less powerful than Wonder Woman, unless Superman and Wonder Woman's strength is only a small matter of degree, but that would contradict the comics, because it's generally Superman that's the only one who can singularly take down Darkseid and Mongul and other supreme baddies.
and where does Mary marvel fit into this, and doesn't Darkseid have a daughter?
Non magical: Hard to order...not sure
1) Cythonna
2) Power Girl
3) Mary Marvel?
4) Grail?
5) Supergirl
6) Wonder Woman?
Using the same logic I take it as what you meant. Well I'm more asking a question than making a declaration.
Superman can take down Darkseid, Mongul, Doomsday on his own. Wonder Woman cannot. So there is a gap in strength, which would suggest a female Kryptonian/clone like Powergirl and Supergirl would be more powerful. Maybe not to a large extent, but I would argue they have the edge over Wonder Woman.
Than their is the Mary Marvel question. At one point it was hard to tell who was stronger, Superman or Captain Marvel, if that is still the case, that means that Mary Marvel is probably closely tied with Power Girl.
WW has already defeated Mongul and fought Darkseid one on one. She has also defeated both PG and Supergirl. And being a kryptonian doesn't mean they are all Superman's equals. Powergirl and Supergirl have not beat the likes of Doomsday or Darkseid one on one. And by actual showings, Superman is above those ladies. And shazam hasn't been Superman's equal in a long time. He hasn't even done anything impressive over a decade. In fact. Some people here seem to go by statements as if WW didn't have those too. She has many statements calling her the strongest female hero, and many others calling her equal to SM. So if statements for other characters like the ones you mentioned count. Then they must count for WW too.
Hmmm, okay then, assuming she defeated Darkseid and Thanos with her fists. We can then assume at best that Wonder Woman is not as strong as Superman, but perhaps as strong as a female Kryptonian?
Let's give you the benefit of the doubt for now and grant you that. Her fighting skills would then most definitely give her the edge, but the question I have is....
What it Wonder Woman's overall powers beside super strength and Amazon agility? I know she's magical, but does she possess any significant game changing magical powers?
1) Cythonna
2) Wonder Woman?
3) Power Girl?
4) Grail?
5) Supergirl
6) Mary Marvel?(What are they doing to the Marvel's that make them less powerful than the superman family?)
Thanos is from Marvel. And when she fought Darkseid. She was able to take many hits from him. Damage him with her own hits and even break one of his fingers. In terms of strength. Her feats are better than both PG and SG. And Superman has better feats of strength than the 3. Which is why i say we shouldn't use him as a scale. Because the actual quantifiable evidence proves that not all kryptonians are as strong as SM.
WW's powers are. Super strength, speed, durability, regenerating/healing factor. Enchanted senses. Flight. Animal communication. Zeus lightning. And of course her gear.
Are you aware that Wonder Woman has defeated more than half of the ones you ranked above her, partly even while they were amped,bloodlusted, and so on?
Powergirl is not Superman, Darkseid already jobbed to Wonder Woman as well even quite recently, in New 52 was Mongul even with help weaker than Wonder Woman and why would be Mary Marvel more powerful than Wonder Woman?
Even if that's how you choose to see it, Elaine Belloc fused two multiverses together within herself. There's no female identified entity that's ever even come close to that level of power. Even if you go by Morrison's guidebook of the one, local multiverse she's bigger than two.
Even if that would be true, that argument would be similar to saying Wonder Woman can defeat Circe, the Queen of Fables or Ares on her own. Superman cannot. Which would suggest Donna Troy and Cassandra Sandsmark must be more powerful than Powergirl and Supergirl. Maybe not to a large extend, but i would argue they have an edge over Powergirl and Supergirl.
At the point were Captain Marvel was that close to Superman were his empowerments very similar or even virtuallyidentical to Wonder Woman's divine empowerments, like Hermes and Mercury for speed as example. And Captain Marvel had a magical advantage that Wonder Woman theoretically also had depending on when, but never really used against Superman.
Not sure how Thanos sneaked into this discussion, but Wonder Woman having at least the strength of female Kryptonians and an edge due to fighting skills, would be definitively more in line with her fights against Powergirl, Supergirl and Faora than what you have said before.
There are the divine empowerments outside of New 52 like the speed of Hermes, Wisdom of Athena and so on, Animal Emphaty, Flight, a healing factor, magic to a degree like for illusions and Zeus lightning, before Flashpoint also dimensional traveling and eyes that see through illusions, and mostly divine gear with abilities like sub-atomic sharpness, truth enforcement, soul manipulation, magical flames and so on.