X-Men Fantastic Four # 4 (of 4) Review & Spoilers

[Gray Lensman]

Why are you using movie scenes here?

It IS an example of something horrible inflicted upon humanity, so it gets a pass.

[misty101]

It IS an example of something horrible inflicted upon humanity, so it gets a pass.

No, it doesn't get a pass. Don't think for a second it gets a pass just because you say so.

[EMagnum]

.......Meh whatever. It's just a comic book story anyway. We'll find out who the main villain of this tale is eventually.

[Denirac]

.......Meh whatever. It's just a comic book story anyway. We'll find out who the main villain of this tale is eventually.

Yes. And I'm still placing money on Doom being a far larger piece of that particular puzzle.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Do you read X-Men comics? The US government did Sentinels, forced vaccination and experimentation on mutants. It's not "just" third world countries. And still, being an apologist for this kind of thing is pretty bad, be it an act from a first world country or a third world country.

Nobody is defending what the mutant bigots have done. There has been apologia for the mutant villains, however. Krakao is a First Word country, not as Third World one. You'd think Krakoa was a reservation in America and they're still in the mansion from how its how its spoken about.

Apocalypse hasn't committed genocide since being a member of the Krakoan society. Single villain crime != Hate crime != crime committed by a nation. Beast is the only one who acted badly, but we don't know the extent of that. I'll guess we need to see how the Council reacts to that and we need to know if Jean cured those people. Again, he did it by himself and not because Krakoa ordered him to. While just take a look at War of Kings and Realm of Kings to see the level of mass killings and despair that the Inhumans have caused as a species and as a nation. Not even counting IvX.

Stop pretending like canon for mutants was erased once they got to Krakoa, its disinengenuous to have double standards with Marvel history to whitewash villains you like. Where does global scale terrorist attacks fit on that scale? It's not like the most a super-villain mutant can do is be Pyro. Pyro's nothing on the mutant scale. Beast is just doing what comes naturally, first it was the Illuminati and now it's Krakao and now Krakoa should face the consequences of that act, but they're lily to cover it up and blame it on humans. The Quiet Council does numerous shady things like its breathing oxygen, this is just one of their bad decisions backfiring, because this is where that corruption was inevitable. Hate crimes aren't strictly against mutants, hate crimes are about crimes committed against someone because of their race or sexuality - anti-human mutant bigots do this. Apocalypse is bigoted against any life on Earth that isn't mutant and he wipes them out. He;sd one this for centuries, like to the Eternals. Of course hate crimes against non-humans isn't a law in Krakoa. What Apocalypse did to Rogue and Betsy was incredibly wrong, he should be in the pit for that. They're beloved X-men, but they don't matter here when they're abused which shows worrying priorities. I agree the Inhumans committed horrible acts in those events so why is Krakao following in their footsteps? Their government and their citizens shouldn't get a pass for horrific activities they did because they just happened to be a mutant.

This also ignores what bad things Apocalypse has done in Excalibur and Xavier gave him a pass on it.

Throwing in mutant crimes vs inhuman crimes doesn't change the fact that it is not true that Inhumans handle things better. Like, we're going way off topic anyway from your first comment.

Krakao disagrees, its government is ok not having democracy and second class citizens who don't "fit in" with the majority.

The bio-hazard is still a bio-hazard. Ill conceived plan with a following policy that got thousands of mutants dead. It doesn't justify them in the slightest.

But enough about Apocalypse.

[Knives]

Humanity has always prospered in adversity, wars and conflicts despite the desire for peace.

Jobs, economics, technology, science, medicine all these fields are developed in times of war or crisis and then this knowledge is used in people's daily lives in times of peace.

And precisely because of human nature it doesn't matter whether Reed disseminates the technology he used on his son or not to the rest of humanity.

What is at stake here is not a short game, but a long game for the future where each piece, information and technology can affect the final result.

Even though Reed does not disclose such technology, the fact that it exists allows someone in the future to access Reed's ideas and use that knowledge as a weapon against mutants even if that was not Reed's intention.


Humanity has a long history of doing such a thing, it is not uncommon technology used to help or save lives ends up becoming weapons with some adaptations.

That is why Xavier and Magneto make such an effort to prevent future potential risks for krakoa no matter the methods. As long as they buy time for their endgame almost everything becomes justified.

They must even know that Reed at some point get rid of the command Xavier used in his mind or that he continues to create similar technologies but as long as they have saved some time for Krakoa and the mutants it is a victory for them.

[Zelena]

There not concerned with 6 fingers, 5 or even 4 its the nuclear level threat fingers that gets government attention with a lesser nod to the ones that kill a few accidentally. It also doesn't help that every single peaceful answer to try to normalize or reduce the threat level fails.

In-Universe, that is a poor way to identify yourself. I sorely doubt the 6 fingered mutant revolves his entire identity around having an extra finger. Much less the guy who kills with a touch. Did it ever occur to you that one day with the random nature of this insane deus ex machina gene it would result in a truly biohazardous mutant. A mutant that could very well wipe them as well as a good chunk of humanity out in one fell swoop?

Oh and the Inhumans seemed to handle things just fine the way they were until recent years.....or writers. Better then mutants did anyway.

This mutant has been imagined: it was Matthew Malloy. A mutant so powerful that all the mutants were afraid of him. Powerful and perturbed with a poor control on his powers. He killed some humans and mutants, a time travel later and he has been erased from the space-time continuum. I thought it was interesting: it was an opportunity for the mutants to understand how the humans felt about the mutants.

I dislike this alliance between all the mutants: it flattens all their personalities making them uninteresting.

[Stormultt Divine]

So yeah....Xavier did his thing in this issue. A true hero.

[Psy-lock]

So much serious discussion for such a silly story...

[Astroman]

Pretty much this, just like Avengers Vs. X-Men and Inhumans Vs. X-Men. I'd even go further and cite the MU Civil Wars, because honestly, they're all in the same boat --- event miniseries designed to pit Marvel fandom against itself by making all the principal characters act like jerks at best and outright monsters at worst over conflicts that could be more amicably settled if everyone involved was acting according to their standard characterization. But since controversy is part of the hype . . .

Yup. And as long as we keep buying this crap, they'll keep making more. I haven't bought one of these events since the first Civil War... but I was hoping the freshness of DoX would prove this one to be something less expected.

I should have known better.

[JB]

So much serious discussion for such a silly story...

I appreciate the passion but *shrug*

[Astroman]

I appreciate the passion but *shrug*

For some reason this mini reminds me of that famous quote from P.T. Barnum.

[Saturius]

So much serious discussion for such a silly story...

Its funny cause in the preview thread, people said many didn't care for this mini or they forgot it exists, but it still is generating a lot of discussion, good and bad lol.

[Omnihallows]

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What Doom said makes a lot of sense, that is, humans evolved thanks to the fact that our ancestors developed intelligence to survive, i mean if the mutants are an evolution, why aren't your powers the same? After all, evolution is all about passing down things that help one survive, if they all get different powers randomly how is that evolution and not the work of unstable genetics?"

Example of an Evolved Human without X-Gene

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I believe that true evolution is about adaptability and increased intelligence, not all mutants can survive icy arctic temperatures or a volcano, nor can they breathe underwater, under these conditions Darwin would be the only mutant that could be classified as true evolution

[Zelena]

Its funny cause in the preview thread, people said many didn't care for this mini or they forgot it exists, but it still is generating a lot of discussion, good and bad lol.

Do they care for the mini or the controversy? It looks like the minis have been created just for that…