So the context is the writer wanted to make Spidey look good, this time at the expense of another character. Gotcha
Wow just wow. You just basically said the fanbase of a character should decide wins or losses. So you like Spider Man and don't like Firelord, so Peter should win, Tyreus should lose That's rich.Likewise Firelord is a c-list villain. Among the Heralds of Galactus...Terrax is the big deal after Silver Surfer defected, not Firelord. Stern didn't have any skin in the game about feeling offended that Spider-Man jobbed a villain, nor did anyone else. Firelord has no fans. Nobody is gonna care a great deal about it.
And as you can see here and all over the net, a lot of people do care.
Also, its funny Firelord has dozens of more comic appearances than the character you arbitarily and ignorantly put as a big deal above him
This shows either some ridiculous ignorance or serious bias. Or probably both
Unless you are the sole arbitrator of what's the best story Firelord was in, I xan.only see that statement as biased fanboy bull from. In case you actually beleive that, you.might want to check.out.his origin. Or the Morg storyline. Or Annihilation. Or literally anything.other than his.Spiderman fight.
Imo, its more like the single worst story of Firelord
He outright beat him.down, that's pretty comparable.
Last edited by Klaxton; 08-14-2020 at 05:49 PM.
This is plain hilarious. Especially with average super powered Black Tarantula.
Yeah BT destroying Spider was far better in every way
That alone doesn't make any comic of that era golden. Pym losing it and slapping Janet, Ms Marvel's violation and Kitty Pryde's Sprite era was also during that time period
1) Spider-Man V. Firelord comes from the 80s widely considered the second golden age for Marvel Comics and Spider-Man as a whole. So this story comes from a time that's a golden period.
And it was derided by Dan Slott and mocked in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 22) Spider-Man V. Firelord was well received and widely liked on release and is still considered a classic story by many such as Roger Stern, Chip Zdarsky, as well as other comics critics like Allen Scherstahl and Mark Ginocchio. This idea that this fight is ridiculous is a very minority
The negative view of this fight, is a minority-of-a-minority view and not at all representative of the actual reception and influence of that story.
And you can scream and cry all you want that its considered a classic story and those who don't like it are a minority but that doesn't make it true. Spider fanboys like you are the ONLY ones who think so. Several Spider Man fans dismissed it because they can be objective.
Actually it is one and.the same - as the character facing the.writer's favourite is downplayed both in intelligence and power to.make the favourite cone out on top
Yep PIS abd WIS always exist, and Spidey is one of the characters who have benefited the.most. from itLikewise, Deathstroke vs. Justice League happened in the 2000s, in other words it is modern comics. And look around and you will find other examples
Nice generalization. Also, standing up to a threat and beating them up is different. And there are defined limits and rules in comics, or it just becomes Looney Tunes.
And thw most important impact of that story was SMvsFl became the synonym to PIS/WIS, aka the times when the writer decides to toss the pre-established norms to the wind for upping their favourite.
Last edited by Klaxton; 08-14-2020 at 05:52 PM.
When did Spider-Man even fight Thor?
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Actually it is. I have come across a lot of people who don't know that Vulture's harness actually gives him super-strength, so they assume that it's just an old man in a suit, when talking about him or describing him dismissively. Roger Stern's run is generally known only for two or three stories -- the Juggernaut fight, the Hobgoblin stuff, and Kid Who Created Spider-Man -- but the Vulture stuff isn't well known.
It comes to the same thing. He wasn't at his fighting best in the fight against Jormungandr and had to wear a special armor. Thor needing armor to fight a giant dragon monster serpent is, however the continuity wants to slice it, a way to build up tension and doubt as to whether Thor will walk away from this fight against the Midgard Serpent.
The fact is there isn't an objective power-level chart universally followed and universally enforced by Marvel. Everything is approximate and relative. What counts is how the story frames it...and what counts most is if the story is good.Plus considering his power levels too are variable depending on whose energy he sucked out, how much and how long ago, he isn't the best example either.
Firelord is a villain, and a minor forgettable C-Tier villain at that. Among Heralds of Galactus who aren't Silver Surfer, he's got less of a profile than Terrax. Spider-Man v. Firelord is without question the best story he was ever part of, and if not for this two-part story few would even know who Firelord is.
It's the writer who made the choice first of all, and he put it in service of a story that a sizable consensus enjoyed at the time and is generally liked by fellow writers and creators.Wow just wow. You just basically said the fanbase of a character should decide wins or losses.
Which is why I inserted the word "generally" which makes it clear that it's a broad judgment and not one on every individual part of it. Spider-Man versus Firelord has always been considered a high point in Defalco-Frenz's entire run and one of the best fight scenes.
"The Trial of Yellowjacket" aka Avengers #211-230 is actually a really great story and the single best moment in Hank Pym's entire career happens at the very end where he defeats the Masters of Evil by himself, realizes he's not a superhero, takes responsibility for his actions all at the same time.Pym losing it and slapping Janet
The former is the most polarizing writer in the history of Spider-Man, not a voice for the consensus by any means, and the latter is some game that didn't sell as much as Spider-Man PS4.And it was derided by Dan Slott and mocked in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2
The synonym for this Deathstroke versus the Justice League or the Red Hulk going on a rampage.the synonym to PIS/WIS
Well clearly arguing with you is pointless
Last edited by Darthfury78; 08-17-2020 at 10:41 PM.
All of that is nonsense.
The costume Spidey wore when fighting Firelord isn't the symbiote. It's just a regular costume that looks like the symbiote, which would be extra weak to Firelord in general anyway.
Spider-man had cosmic powers only because the Enigma force attached itself to him for that one storyline. They're not innate to him.
There is no relation between the symbiote and the Enigma force.
Maybe he tapped into his Spider-totem powers? (Solus killed Cosmic Captain Universe Spidey, and then Kaine with his "Other" powers killed Solus.)
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