Should we just limit this to Peter? Because there are some fights where Miles fights somebody big like Blackheart and just Venom Blasts his way to victory in, like, one panel that kind of bothers me.
Should we just limit this to Peter? Because there are some fights where Miles fights somebody big like Blackheart and just Venom Blasts his way to victory in, like, one panel that kind of bothers me.
Its that people don't want him to win, its just that there are people he has no job of defeating, like Firelord.
Plus Spider Man is not the only character that appears in other media. So why shouldn't they win?
Plus you say people want him to win but you understand that he must lose. So he shouldn't lose because people don't want him to? That's some serious bias. Not everyone is so biased that they always want their favourites to win.
Its the Joker. Its his movie. Its a villain origin story. He's the villain so he will on it. So your idea is that win and lose must be simply on audience bias. GotchaNo way. I think back to the Joker movie. I despised it. Why? Seeing the Wayne’s get killed and Bruce become an orphan. There is nothing entertaining about that and Joker not paying a price. People like Joker need to pay a price for their actions and not get rewarded.
Btw a lot of people loved tha Joker won hell the movie made 1 bill)
Is not really much of a problem to be honest, is not like he is beating people of a Firelord in a regular basis, it happened once and that's it. There are very little instances when someone jobs to Sider-Man, is usually Cap or Wolverine who had the jobbing aura in the Marvel Universe.
"Wow. You made Spider-Man sad, congratulations. I stabbed The Hulk last week"
Wolverine, Venom Annual # 1 (2018)
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I actually have one instance and Spider-Man and ( or) Peter was NOT in the wrong: Avengers 11. Titled Along Came A Spider: Kang creates a robot Spider-Man, who defeats the Avengers, but who shows up and defeats the robot and saves the Avengers? The real Spider-Man. You mean the robot can defeat the entire Avengers, but lose to Spider-Man? I am pro Spider-Man and anti Avengers, but that is something I cannot believe actually happened.
The spider is always on the hunt.
Nah, he only had the symbiote for like 10 issues, after that he keep using a black costume that was just a costume. Besides the symbiote unlike the cartoons didn't affect his personality back then (althought that had been retconed). Still, is true that he usually doesn't get that angry, but he is not strange to that kind of rage.
"Wow. You made Spider-Man sad, congratulations. I stabbed The Hulk last week"
Wolverine, Venom Annual # 1 (2018)
Nobody does it better by Jeff Loveness
"I am Thou, Thou Art I"
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You are correct, Spider-Man has always been under appreciated. I think one reason is because of his quips, most people in the Marvel Universe ( heroes and villains alike) do not take him seriously. One thing is this: In his greatest victories he is relentless. Juggernaut, Firelord, Ock ( ASM 33), and Rhino ( the issue where Rhino put him in the hospital), he simply would not quit, which is why he won. That said there are exceptions. For example:The Fantastic Four take him seriously, because they understand him ( probably because Ben Grimm also throws out one liners and Johnny Storm is his best friend in the superhero world). One other point: Avengers 11 was also a rare opportunity for Jack Kirby to actually draw Spider-Man in a comic. For that reason alone, it should be better known.
I don't know where you got your info, but none of them were an actual threat to Thor. In the same arc that Hyde first appeared, Thor mudstomped him in way less than a minute. Wrecker beat up a weakened Thor. Once Thor was at full strength he demolished him. Every time they looked good against him had context
And many of them has taken on and even defeated him solo. On multiple occasions.Spider-Man has also held his own against a team of X-Men on a few occasions and a Spider-Man robot duplicate created by Kang trounced the Avengers (Cap, Thor, Giant Man And Wasp) only for the real Spider-Man to show up and save the day.
Could it be just that you are overestimating him?Maybe you are just seriously underestimating the ol' Webhead?
Fair enough
Of course you won'tSo I didn't have a problem with his win over Firelord.
Spidey is not the only one to suffer from that
If anything, I am more annoyed that they rolled back a lot of that character growth in an attempt to bring him back to his teenage years.
Because it's silly. Even back then many members of the Avengers had already shown to operate in levels that Spider-Man can only hope to be a minor help at. I honestly dont think Spider-Man gets little respect, if anything it's the other way around, books outside of his normal area tend to treat him good, sometimes maybe pay him too much respect like that issue in particular. Nowadays the differences have become even more obvious with time.
Spider-Man is a great character, but that doesnt mean he is in the same weight-class as many of his fellow heroes. Especially when you see their adventures in their due context.
In the early days, Spidey bullied the FF and the boys on the X-Men then a robot dupe bullied the Avengers. I feel like when Stan was around in the beginning, Spidey only lost to Johnny Storm and the Hulk.
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I don't know you are misremembering or generalizing, but Thor wasn't depowered or depicted weak. He was cursed by Hela with basically super brittle bone disease.
Hyde was never, even at his best, in the same league as Thor or other high tiers. He was an annoyance. In the above arc you mentioned Hyde knocked himself out running into armored Thor who just stood there and grunted when Hyde hit him.
And his power levels depend on the amount of serum he took and how long. Enough time without the serum makes him weak enough to get his bones beoken and be oneshotted by Cap.
And IIRC the only one who described Morlun with Thor level strength was Spider Man himself, who isn't the expert of Thor. Plus he only said Thor or Hulk had never hit him that hard, and when Thor or Hulk never had any reason hit him real hard, that's shaky ground. Plus considering his power levels too are variable depending on whose energy he sucked out, how much and how long ago, he isn't the best example either.