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    Default Drax (MCU) Vs The Ubervamp (Buffyverse)

    Dave Bautista's Drax takes on the first and most impressive Ubervamp from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

    1) Hand-to-hand only.
    2) Drax has his knives, the Ubervamp has a broadsword.

    Both fights in Khazan.

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    Nothing the Ubervamp brings is going to hurt a guy who laughs off being dragged through a giant forest behind a crashing spaceship.
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    Even named regular vampires like Spike and Angel were durable enough to withstand falls from great heights and take hits from the likes of the Beast, Illyria, Jasmine, Marcus Hamilton and Glory.

    The Ubervamp is more durable than them and shrugged off tonnes of steel construction beams being dropped onto it - so it seems weird to bring up the question of how it can hurt Drax when the same question works the other way...

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    What has Ubervamps sword managed to damage?

    Might be looking at a "who hits first" sorta situation.

    As for h2h, Drax is much more durable then strong so they may just punch each other for an hour or so without any real winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJS View Post
    Even named regular vampires like Spike and Angel were durable enough to withstand falls from great heights and take hits from the likes of the Beast, Illyria, Jasmine, Marcus Hamilton and Glory.

    The Ubervamp is more durable than them and shrugged off tonnes of steel construction beams being dropped onto it - so it seems weird to bring up the question of how it can hurt Drax when the same question works the other way...
    You are not wrong, about the vamps being pretty tough. Drax is much tougher, but he might well not be capable of hurting the Ubervamp in HtH, well, until he decides to reach into the thing's chest and rip out the heart, which he'd probably eventually do. The Uber wouldn't make it easy, but that would likely be the eventual outcome. The Ubervamp is just completely incapable of hurting Drax in any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_adventure View Post
    You are not wrong, about the vamps being pretty tough. Drax is much tougher, but he might well not be capable of hurting the Ubervamp in HtH, well, until he decides to reach into the thing's chest and rip out the heart, which he'd probably eventually do. The Uber wouldn't make it easy, but that would likely be the eventual outcome. The Ubervamp is just completely incapable of hurting Drax in any way.
    This post makes no sense.

    "Cant hurt him. Until he rips his organs out." Wut.

    Is there some sort of heart related weakness I'm not understanding the context of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Arbiter View Post
    This post makes no sense.

    "Cant hurt him. Until he rips his organs out." Wut.

    Is there some sort of heart related weakness I'm not understanding the context of?
    Ubervamp like all vamps has a weak heart. It just has a tougher breastbone to stab through, which prevented Buffy from being able to reach it with a stake when they first fought. At least, that's how I remember it. I don't know that ripping the creature apart to find the tootsie roll center would be Drax's first move, but, as we see in the fight at the beginning of GotG2, he'll get there eventually. But the Ubervamp has nothing that will let him scratch Drax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_adventure View Post
    Ubervamp like all vamps has a weak heart. It just has a tougher breastbone to stab through, which prevented Buffy from being able to reach it with a stake when they first fought. At least, that's how I remember it. I don't know that ripping the creature apart to find the tootsie roll center would be Drax's first move, but, as we see in the fight at the beginning of GotG2, he'll get there eventually. But the Ubervamp has nothing that will let him scratch Drax.
    But your above post says he might not be capable of hurting him h2h. If you admit that, then how do you then say he can just rip through the guys reinforced chest to pull his heart out?

    That would in fact qualify as hurting him h2h which is a thing you yourself have doubts of him being capable to do.

    That's like me saying I cant particularly hurt Mike Tyson with a punch but then saying I could totally just snap his rib cage open and eat his liver lol

    Edit: Its possible I just dont understand the Buffy mechanics I suppose
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Arbiter View Post
    But your above post says he might not be capable of hurting him h2h. If you admit that, then how do you then say he can just rip through the guys reinforced chest to pull his heart out?

    That would in fact qualify as hurting him h2h which is a thing you yourself have doubts of him being capable to do.

    That's like me saying I cant particularly hurt Mike Tyson with a punch but then saying I could totally just snap his rib cage open and eat his liver lol

    Edit: Its possible I just dont understand the Buffy mechanics I suppose
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beadle View Post
    I feel unclean for saying this, but I agree with Arby.

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    Now I need to go find some bleach for my typing fingers.
    Pfft we have totes agreed on stuff before.

    Like, for example, we are both completely ok with Captain Britain beating up the Pheonix amirite?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Arbiter View Post
    Pfft we have totes agreed on stuff before.

    Like, for example, we are both completely ok with Captain Britain beating up the Pheonix amirite?
    Well duh. Obvsly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJS View Post
    Even named regular vampires like Spike and Angel were durable enough to withstand falls from great heights and take hits from the likes of the Beast, Illyria, Jasmine, Marcus Hamilton and Glory.

    The Ubervamp is more durable than them and shrugged off tonnes of steel construction beams being dropped onto it - so it seems weird to bring up the question of how it can hurt Drax when the same question works the other way...
    So, having looked up the fights, the Ubervamp really wasn't anywhere near as impressive as I thought it was. It was slightly stronger and notably more durable than Buffy, but not enough that Buffy couldn't trade blows with it fairly evenly and drag it up behind her when it was trying to pull her down while she was climbing up the wall of a pit and it still recoiled when Buffy landed clean hits on it, and it was able to shrug off a reasonably sized loose bundle of pipes being dropped on it (the fact that the pipes were loose meant that it only got the weight of the section that landed on it instead of the full mass of all the pipes like would be the case if they had been on a pallet and they rolled away when it stood up, rather than it having to lift the entire thing to get up). She was still able to pierce its skin with a wooden stake or a crossbow bolt (but couldn't punch through the sternum enough to reach the heart) and eventually decapitated it by garrotting it with some barbed (?) wire.

    Meanwhile, Drax is only stunned from being smacked by a spaceship going at ramming speed and just laughed uproariously as he was being bounced off/dragged through multiple trees at the speed of a spaceship crashing from orbit. His strength is more nebulous, but he seems at least as strong as Gamora (possibly stronger, since he seemed to overpower her in the prison once she put the knives down, but I don't know if she had started resisting yet), and she was able to grab onto his snapped tether and keep him attached to the ship during the crashing spaceship scene.

    So yeah. Drax doesn't really feel the Ubervamp's blows and then either pins it for a 10 count or just rips its head clean off (at least).

    And that's not even taking into account Drax going invisible. j/k
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Arbiter View Post
    But your above post says he might not be capable of hurting him h2h. If you admit that, then how do you then say he can just rip through the guys reinforced chest to pull his heart out?

    That would in fact qualify as hurting him h2h which is a thing you yourself have doubts of him being capable to do.

    That's like me saying I cant particularly hurt Mike Tyson with a punch but then saying I could totally just snap his rib cage open and eat his liver lol

    Edit: Its possible I just dont understand the Buffy mechanics I suppose
    There seems to be some confusion on what I meant. What I meant was that Drax might not be strong enough to kill the thing by punching it in the face, but that, once he gets tired of punching the thing in the face, he will eventually dig his hands into the thing and rip out it's heart. Which is a definite win. And it's right in his wheelhouse to do that - attacking from the inside in disgusting fashion is something he actually did in a movie.

    He might be strong enough to just beat the thing to death - buffy pierced him fine with wood, she just failed to get through the sternum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_adventure View Post
    There seems to be some confusion on what I meant. What I meant was that Drax might not be strong enough to kill the thing by punching it in the face, but that, once he gets tired of punching the thing in the face, he will eventually dig his hands into the thing and rip out it's heart. Which is a definite win. And it's right in his wheelhouse to do that - attacking from the inside in disgusting fashion is something he actually did in a movie.

    He might be strong enough to just beat the thing to death - buffy pierced him fine with wood, she just failed to get through the sternum.
    Still a confusing post! Is his chest less durable then his face?? If he cant hurt one, how does he hurt the other?

    If I can't hurt a Gorilla with my punches, that pretty much immediately excludes me from ripping its chest open as well lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Arbiter View Post
    Still a confusing post! Is his chest less durable then his face?? If he cant hurt one, how does he hurt the other?

    If I can't hurt a Gorilla with my punches, that pretty much immediately excludes me from ripping its chest open as well lol.
    In any case this isn't really an issue as Drax is totally at least as strong as Buffy, if not at least a few times stronger, and Buffy was strong enough to make the Ubervamp reel from her blows, be able to pierce the Ubervamp's skin with a wooden stake, and eventually just decapitate him with only some wire. Meanwhile, the Ubervamp hasn't shown the ability to actually cause enough damage to even tickle Drax, so in the absolute worst case scenario, Drax is only Buffy level strength and might not be able to get to the heart, but should still be able to cut its head off without much problem since knives are better for that than what appeared to be relatively thick wire.

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