Originally Posted by
Steel Inquisitor
Everyone knows this and nobody's saying it's not true or that crating a mutant nation in response is bad. However, what this does do is move the goal posts away from Krakao itself, don't question Krkao look at the outside world isn't a compelling argument. The context for Krakoa is that its a dictatorship filled with super-villains who barely have any restraints and has no moral high ground on human governments. The mansion's dead, don't go back to it like it's the status quo. Mother Mold;s in outer space, not in Xavier's backyard. Except many mutants living in or working in the highest positions in government have done those things and very recently, some have spent millennia doing it. Yes, the Russia are the bad guys in this status quo and? Ethics isn't simply about anything goes because it's someone you don't like, it's about the act itself. It has nothing to do with what genes they have have or what group they belong to.
Don't conflate all mutants with krakoa, that shields the monsters in the ranks which they so eloquently shield from prosecution and no, I'm not talking about sabre tooth. It's incredibly hypercritical to only count one side's bad deeds while ignoring the other for the very same crimes. About the very same victims, even. I'm not talking about Beak here, I'm talking about about the biggest super-villains and their evil organisations who the X-men fought from the 60's. Context being the "current run" not the entirety off canon in Marvel 616. They didn't become redeemed angelic figures between the last X-men issue and House of X/Powers of X. They're the same people. But let's ignore what they did not humanity and non-mutants for a minute, what about all the crimes they committed on mutant kind? Why do they get the privilege of ignoring all their past crimes, and there are many which are gruesome, over their mutant victims? Some of which they share seats on the Quiet Council with.
It's great that Krkaao is doing that for humanity, but it's nowhere near penance for the pain and suffering many of their citizens and government officials have inflicted on the world. Do they even regret this? From what I've seen they don't. They're not doing this for humanity, they've all but given up on being friendly with humanity and completely ignore every other non-mutant race. The only Atlantan they care about is Namor and only because he's a mutant, if he wasn't a mutant they wouldn't be giving him any positive attention. Krakoa isn't about "live and let live" - it's bribing countries to leave them alone while they slowly buy them out financially until mutants own the world. What's irritating is that this isn't necessarily a bad thing but how they go about it you'd think they're auditioning for Blofeld in the next James Bond. Those are separate issues with krakoa.
They didn't "invite" anyone, they're not guests - they're citizens, government operatives and politicians. Apocalypse has been hurting Excalibur nearly from the start. The Quiet Council unleashed Sabretooth on an American corporation. Shaw murdered Kitty. Just because they're not doing evetything bad right now doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished or not be seen as a potential threat. The X-men weren't this lax with society when they are super-heroes, even when Magneto (and Joseph) joined. These individuals have been the biggest proponents off mutant on mutant crime until very recently, and some are still doing it. This ins't about the X-men, this is about the Krakoa government.
That it is. Cult sacrifices don't have to be forced, they can be voluntary. Everything around the Crucible's ritual is suspect and in character for Apocalypse. They don't have too die like that to be resurrected, that's the problem. It's theatre, not a medical procedure. We know all the de powered mutants have to do is kill themselves to be "reborn" and they don't need extravagant cult rituals to do it. Krakao knows the outside world wouldn't approve since they're not broadcasting this ritual to the international press, instead everyone must stay quiet about it. Even people who are disturbed by it and keeping their mouths shut about it.
This isn't about characters being interesting, its' about characters being villains and being threats. He's been manipulating people since he joined Krakoa, that's all he'd done in Excalibur. Selene is still being a super-villain in Captain America. Msytqiyue is her same old self, her working with the X-men isn't new she's done it by secretly working as Xavier's assassin, as well as on Rogue's team - who she betrayed to Sinister. You're right this stays quo has created exciting dynamics and storylines but that's what I was talking about. It's really not that hard to agree that anyone who genocide, murder and other crimes which ruins peoples lives is wrong by anyone who does it, this shouldn't be a controversial stance anywhere but here it is. Despite knowing all you know about these characters you still don't call them villains. They're still bad guys, though. Hickman may have made a new spin, but he's repurposed old characterisations and ideas not but everything from the ground up.
And again continuing to ignore the plights of people outside the X-books. Would be interesting to see the mutants from Slovenia giving the Quiet Council a piece of their mind when they stood by and did nothing while Ultron killed them all.