Under what conditions can Batman bullet time?

[The Dork Knight]

https://m.imgur.com/1c5qeIs

As you can clearly see, Shang Chi does not even move till the bullets are on their way close to his head, at which point he gets out of the way, casually

[FrenchGemini]

Since we are doing bullet-timing feats, feat from Matt in one of the most recent issues

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DAfrM5Irn...L%2B20%2B5.jpg

[Captain Morgan]

Yeah that isn't conveyed very well. Looks like he just threw up a forcefield.

It is clearer in the context of the story. The character occasionally uses a martial arts style called "Fist of Flowing Water Crushing Rock" or something equally flowery, and the art uses that effect whenever he busts it out. It just an artistic device, not a force field. It also usually isn't so over the top, because he is using it for single strikes, but that was a climatic moment with him unleashing it that hard.

[Güicho]

Or what Wonder Woman does

Obviously, stuff like Daredevil pinging back bullets with a thin club or Elektra blocking them with her sais is clearly, them reacting to bullets .... This is literally reacting to bullets and clearly better than the just "dodging" you showed for Batman

LOL He definitely shouldn't be doing the Wonder Woman blocks.

Aside from the fact that is standard peak human stuff....this is kinda silly logic. The Hulk can lift a mountain it doesnt mean he is FTL

Using a strength feat to show Batman's superhuman speed or lack of, doesn't really track

Kick-splitting a fully grown living tree No.
Maybe a dead one, slight rot.

FTL?
Faster Than Light?
No why would he?

That's great! You really need to show them freeze frame looking (hearing) at the bullet suspended ( although that comes out of the super-speed shorthand) to convey it.

Without that.
As far as the dodging, they really aren't conveying a difference.

Apart from that as noted, with the freeze frames and as you yourself observe, the characters straight up looking at the bullets on occasion, we get enough to know that they are reacting to the bullets after they are already fired, since we see their initial positions relative to the already airborne bullet. They are necessarily moving after the bullet is already airborne . Their positions change after the bullet has taken flight.

https://m.imgur.com/1c5qeIs

This really seems the definitive portrayal - Seeing the muzzle flash + the freeze frame on the bullet, and finally the trajectory trail plus move (although again borrows from the super speed shorthand.



So how do you Interpret all the classic muzzle flash + trajectory line + move all in one panel.
The most common Spider-Man or D.D. "dodging" bullets similar way Batman is portrayed?
Are they conveying it or not?

Also if Spidey is illustrated the same as Batman (previous page) without the freeze frame looking at the suspended-bullet panel. Is that dodging or bullet timing?
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/0g5365r.jpg[/IMG

Or is it if it's D.D. yes if it's Batman no?

[The Dork Knight]

Kick-spiting a fully grown living tree No.
Maybe a dead one, slight rot.

FTL?
Faster Than Light?
No why would he?

You are arguing in response to people pointing out that punching bullets is an outlier for Batman that he can kick split trees , which if living would indicate he has superpowers

Well he can also kick split what were likely dead treas, but taken as living, this would fall under slowly developing superpowers

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To which I pointed out, the Hulk lifting mountains (like Batman kicking trees) does not indicate he can move at faster than light speeds (like Batman reacting to bullets, the main issue at hand here), regardless of the fact that the Hulk actually does have "superpowers". Talking about a strength feat tells us nothing about a speed feat

Which part of that logic is unclear?

[Güicho]

"ridiculous outliers in contrast to his presentation and career"

Tree feat was in reply ^ to a quot about "ridiculous outliers " applied to Batman as in blocking bullets like Wonder Woman, listing another in that ridiculous category.
Nobody conflated it with speed(FTL) feat but you.

To which I pointed out, the Hulk lifting mountains (like Batman kicking trees) does not indicate he can move at faster than light speeds ?

[Pendaran]

Tree feat was in reply to a quot about "ridiculous outliers " applied to Batman as in blocking bullets like Wonder Woman, listing another in that ridiculous category.
Nobody suggested it as speed feat but you.

The tree thing is actually fairly well in line with Batman's striking power and the like, by contrast to punching bullets and etc.

[Güicho]

Living tree?
Or dead tree?

Would likely shift the line.

[Sharkerbob]

The real answer is whenever the writers want him to. Same reason he doesn't get splattered into goo whenever he takes a hit from a Kryptonian or slammed into solid rock or detonates one of his grenades point blank while trapped in a dinosaur mouth.



Realistically, the main way Batman dodges bullets is by constantly moving, anticipating shots, and the fact that his cape can be used to obfuscate the details of his body in shadow. Hard to aim for center mass when that cape is flapping about, making it harder to pinpoint where his actual body is.

[Güicho]

and the fact that his cape can be used to obfuscate the details of his body in shadow. Hard to aim for center mass when that cape is flapping about, making it harder to pinpoint where his actual body is.

The bullet thing, they are kind losing me after a standing still dead to sites Muzzle flash.
I do love the- already in movement they are aiming for the cape- justification.
Worked for Zorro too!

[Sharkerbob]

The bullet thing, they are kind losing me after a standing still dead to sites Muzzle flash.
I do love the- already in movement they are aiming for the cape- justification.
Worked for Zorro too!

Oh yeah. I stopped buying the whole, "Batman's just a skilled human" conceit forever ago. Even by "comic book/tv show human" standards, he's clear a meta in a lot of stories.

[The Dork Knight]

Tree feat was in reply to a quot about "ridiculous outliers " applied to Batman as in blocking bullets like Wonder Woman, listing another in that ridiculous category.
Nobody conflated it with speed(FTL) feat but you.

I think the problem with conflating things is yours, if you suddenly start talking about "other outliers" when the post you're responding to is about Batman's speed vis a vis bullets, just like all your own posts, and y'know this thread as a whole

To embark on a tangent about other unrelated "outliers" when everything else is about Batman's speed is the real puzzler here

Just to stick with your line of thought for a second there, if punching living trees is somehow a manifestation of "slowly developing superpowers", why would Batman's increased strength even be relevant to increased speed,even if his strength for some reason became a "slowly developed superpower"

Well he can also kick split what were likely dead treas, but taken as living, this would fall under slowly developing superpowers

Or was this whole statement simply a random tangent leading nowhere?
You're clearly trying to say something related to Batman punching bullets. What exactly is that something?

[The Drunkard Kid]

Yeah that isn't conveyed very well. Looks like he just threw up a forcefield.

Also if Spidey is illustrated the same as Batman (previous page) without the freeze frame looking at the suspended-bullet panel. Is that dodging or bullet timing?

The issue with both Spidey and Daredevil are that, while they both are fast enough to bullet dodge, their precognition and radar senses respectively means that they are usually aim dodging most of the times that people are shooting at them.

[Güicho]

The issue with both Spidey and Daredevil are that, while they both are fast enough to bullet dodge, their precognition and radar senses respectively means that they are usually aim dodging most of the times that people are shooting at them.

So my question was to the images where Batman is illustrated somewhat doing the same? Despite not hiving "precognition and radar senses"

The most common Spider-Man or D.D. "dodging" bullets similar way Batman is portrayed?
Are they conveying it or not?

...Or is it if it's [Spider-Man and D.D. yes, if it's Batman no?

The illustrations given of bullet-timing have been fantastic (well except that manga one).
Batman should not be conveyed that way.
Do we have a clear illustrative distinction between
"bullet dodge", and "aim dodging"? Or whatever Batman is suposedly doing?

[Marvel-Studios Rep]

A thug is standing 50 feet away from Batman. The thug has a handgun aimed at Bruce's head. The thug pulls the trigger just as Batman turns around. Batman had no time to move and didn't sense the shooter before the trigger was pulled.

Would Batman be able to see even a flicker of the bullet? Would he be able to see the entirety of the object? Or none at all? He cannot dodge it, but what if sight? Aren't human's able to see objects moving they can't react to?

What if the above occurs from 100 yards? At this point, I am postive even someone who is NOT a bullet timer, like a peak human, could see the bullet. It's just like the youtube video with human's and arrows...