How would a fight between these two evil laser eyed lunatics go down?
How would a fight between these two evil laser eyed lunatics go down?
Comics wise, his only real fight, with Black Noir, was mostly offscreen and he got ripped apart.
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He IS rather strong though. Can throw a jet.
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Ripped this random dude apart.
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Has a super shout.
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One punched Maeve.
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Should be mentioned that if either MM or KMM were as close to the explosion as Young Miracleman, they would have died like he did, so I wouldn't use that as a standard for their durability since neither of them could take it, despite KMM being stronger than he was back then.
I think only MM held back and KM took the blast and in any case the difference was negligible
https://i.postimg.cc/bJ3Znx5m/image.jpg
KMM left the area and only got hit by the rear of the blast, sending him flying:
Difference wasnt negligible, MM was far enough from the blast that it gave him amnesia and damaged his superhero form to a point that it reverted him back to normal.
Had they all been as close as YMM, they'd all would have been dead. Further supported to how messed up MM was when KMM hit him with this:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QOQ1SMZb8...c42/RCO018.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/mTm1KAjfq9...rRYF0ytw=s1600
So a nuke isn't something either Homelander or KMM can take.
I mean KM's version of events are warped at best. MM himself at least took a fair bit of the blast as we saw
This makes no sense, tells us nothing about how close he was and the picture shown tells us they were all pretty closeDifference wasnt negligible, MM was far enough from the blast that it gave him amnesia and damaged his superhero form to a point that it reverted him back to normal.
The final fight has all sorts of crazy stuff going down and it's not like an exploding vehicle put either of them down.
I fail to see how the "phasing a pebble inside his force field" thing is relevant here since Homelander cant do that
The pebble wasn't the poibt of the scan, but to show MM being hurt by something below nuke level.
Anyway, we see KMM fly away from the craft that KMM and MM were inside of, that was the point. The only thing we do know is that his powers were not deactivated like he claimed they were.
The picture shows Kmm being away from the blast, unlike the other two.
Compare that to what MM and KM went through:
It's stated and shown that a nuke can harm and even kill them depending on how close they are. All we do know is that KMM was not in the hospital afterward, and was instead staggering away after being hit:
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Then you've missed the point of how the pebble managed to hurt himThe pebble wasn't the poibt of the scan, but to show MM being hurt by something below nuke level.
It's like pointing to Kryptonite and saying "a piece of rock killed Superman!"
No we see KM claim that's what happenedAnyway, we see KMM fly away from the craft that KMM and MM were inside of, that was the point.
So the only thing we know is that KM is an unreliable narrator?The only thing we do know is that his powers were not deactivated like he claimed they were.
On the other hand, MM, a not so unreliable narrator's, version shows all of them being close to the explosionThe picture shows Kmm being away from the blast, unlike the other two.
I mean you are literally counting part of MM's story but not the preceding page....Compare that to what MM and KM went through:
But in any case even going by your own logic, MM himself was close enough to and survived the nuke. Barely, but he did. Even the part you count as relevant shows him very very close to the explosion as far "hanging back" goes. It's a nuke, not a bullet. A few meters here or there makes little difference
KM is more powerful than MM in both their fights
Therefore we can safely say he is somewhere near "can survive nukes at a distance" level
Is Homelander anywhere close, honestly? From any of his feats thus far?
I mean MM's close enough to actually see what happened to Young Miracleman as far as "only Young Miracleman died because he was super close but others were far away" goes
I was never talking about the "pebble", I was talking about what KMM was hitting MM with. That was made pretty obvious from the final link. Clearly something like that could hurt them enough to leave them in poor shape, and MM is no weaker than he was when the Nuke went off on them. Which further supports KMMs claim to have flown off. For if something like that hitting them burns them like it did to MM, then of course a Nuke would be lethal. Yes KMM is stronger and tougher, but I wouldn't say so much that being directly hit by a Nuke wouldn't, at the very least; put him in the same condition as MM was in just by being somewhat nearish to the explosion.
No, we see flashbacks, and him hitting the earth after the fact is part of the updated canon. We don't assume it's a lie unless there is a contradicting story, and instead we see a flashback from someone who saw him hit the earth.No we see KM claim that's what happened
Nothing to suggest this whatsoever, the last scan verified it.So the only thing we know is that KM is an unreliable narrator?
Not even remotely true no, and I don't see how you can say this. If you're referring to the scan of YMM dying then the figure in the distance is MM, not KMM. Again, we saw KMMs condition in the last scan I provided, he was nowhere near as messed up as MM was, and we see he was still conscious. Clearly he got far enough to avoid most of the damage.On the other hand, MM, a not so unreliable narrator's, version shows all of them being close to the explosion
No, you're confused. The one picture is YMM and MM caught in the explosion, KMM isn't in that picture. While you're ignoring the last scan of KMM hitting the earth, dazed and staggering, but otherwise okay.I mean you are literally counting part of MM's story but not the preceding page....
The story, not my logic, but going off what is seen and stated in the story. Your logic involves thinking a character is lying based on...? Despite the condition he was in from my last scan proving he wasn't remotely close to the explosion(otherwise he would have been in the condition as MM)But in any case even going by your own logic,
As far as the story was concerned; it was, which means it was likely more than just a "few meters". That was the point of their varying conditions; with KMM being shaken and staggering, YMM being dead, and MM being so badly wounded that he reverted to his normal self which had amnesia from the ordeal. Their distances from the explosion was the implied implication for it.MM himself was close enough to and survived the nuke. Barely, but he did. Even the part you count as relevant shows him very very close to the explosion as far "hanging back" goes. It's a nuke, not a bullet. A few meters here or there makes little difference
I specifically stated only one was close, while the other was far away, not sure how you could say otherwise. The first scan takes place after the second scan, meaning it was added on. That's why we didn't see KMM in the second scan, MM only knew about what happened to himself, and YMM during that blast, KMM told him his part, and we see his condition afterwards in the third scan to support his version of the events.
No, but he has superior strength feats, as shown by Guy. Doesn't seem capable of taking his own too well, as shown by his fight with Noir, but KMM isn't that strong compared to them. So while KMM has a durability edge, Homelander had a strength edge.Is Homelander anywhere close, honestly? From any of his feats thus far?
I was never talking about the "pebble", I was talking about what KMM was hitting MM with. That was made pretty obvious from the final link. Clearly something like that could hurt them enough to leave them in poor shape,That's not the only blow he took. To argue that MM was in "poor shape" from one exploding vehicle is to ignore everything else in the fightThe final fight has all sorts of crazy stuff going down
A contradicting story like KM lying about losing his powers?We don't assume it's a lie unless there is a contradicting story
The last scan that showed KM having his powers which he claimed to have lost?Nothing to suggest this whatsoever, the last scan verified it.
Or yknow. The guy that was dominating MM twice is just more powerful?KMMs condition in the last scan I provided, he was nowhere near as messed up as MM was, and we see he was still conscious. Clearly he got far enough to avoid most of the damage.
Based on the fact that the guy telling the "got far away from blast" story also in the same sequence says he lost his powers, which he didntYour logic involves thinking a character is lying based on...?
The last scan where he has his powers, yes?Despite the condition he was in from my last scan proving he wasn't remotely close to the explosion(otherwise he would have been in the condition as MM)
There's clearly 3 people in the picture. Once again, for your convenience.The one picture is YMM and MM caught in the explosion, KMM isn't in that picture.
https://i.postimg.cc/bJ3Znx5m/image.jpg
Unfortunately the scan above disproves all "implied implications"Their distances from the explosion was the implied implication for it.
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I specifically stated only one was close, while the other was far away, not sure how you could say otherwise.If MM knew what was happening to himself and YMM (according to you), then this scan where there are clearly at least 2 of them right next to each other in the middle of the explosionMM only knew about what happened to himself, and YMM during that blast,
https://i.postimg.cc/bJ3Znx5m/image.jpg
Such that he can actually see what happens to YMM
https://i.postimg.cc/kgScQxHy/RCO027.jpg
Literally disproves your own claim of "one was close, the other was far away" when the distance between the two is clearly shown to be negligible. Since you yourself accept MM's account
That means MM himself was basically in the epicentre of a nuke, survivedMM only knew about what happened to himself, and YMM during that blast,
This guy later got thrashed by KM. Twice.
Hence KM is rolling around at least somewhere near "survives a nuke" level. Simple.
Last edited by Guy1; 08-03-2020 at 07:36 PM. Reason: Post Edit
Considering the fact that KM could hurt a person on MM's level or even the part where he was one hand using a truck as a weapon , no I dont think Homelander has a strength edge at allNo, but he has superior strength feats, as shown by Guy. Doesn't seem capable of taking his own too well, as shown by his fight with Noir, but KMM isn't that strong compared to them. So while KMM has a durability edge, Homelander had a strength edge.
More pertinently does he have anywhere near this kind of speed?
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KM for me. It was believed a nuke could kill Homelander and I believe it, Black Noir torn him apart as Homelander is not used to guys his weight class. KM actually makes MM work for it and survived a nuke. Blonde bad Superman goes down.