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    Default Homelander vs Kid Miracleman

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    What are Homelanders feats like? Anything nuke level?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dork Knight View Post
    What are Homelanders feats like? Anything nuke level?
    Comics wise, his only real fight, with Black Noir, was mostly offscreen and he got ripped apart.
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    He IS rather strong though. Can throw a jet.
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    Ripped this random dude apart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dork Knight View Post
    What are Homelanders feats like? Anything nuke level?
    Should be mentioned that if either MM or KMM were as close to the explosion as Young Miracleman, they would have died like he did, so I wouldn't use that as a standard for their durability since neither of them could take it, despite KMM being stronger than he was back then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cody View Post
    Should be mentioned that if either MM or KMM were as close to the explosion as Young Miracleman, they would have died like he did, so I wouldn't use that as a standard for their durability since neither of them could take it, despite KMM being stronger than he was back then.
    I think only MM held back and KM took the blast and in any case the difference was negligible

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dork Knight View Post
    I think only MM held back and KM took the blast and in any case the difference was negligible

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    KMM left the area and only got hit by the rear of the blast, sending him flying:



    Difference wasnt negligible, MM was far enough from the blast that it gave him amnesia and damaged his superhero form to a point that it reverted him back to normal.

    Had they all been as close as YMM, they'd all would have been dead. Further supported to how messed up MM was when KMM hit him with this:



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    So a nuke isn't something either Homelander or KMM can take.
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    I mean KM's version of events are warped at best. MM himself at least took a fair bit of the blast as we saw

    Difference wasnt negligible, MM was far enough from the blast that it gave him amnesia and damaged his superhero form to a point that it reverted him back to normal.
    This makes no sense, tells us nothing about how close he was and the picture shown tells us they were all pretty close

    The final fight has all sorts of crazy stuff going down and it's not like an exploding vehicle put either of them down.

    I fail to see how the "phasing a pebble inside his force field" thing is relevant here since Homelander cant do that

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dork Knight View Post
    I mean KM's version of events are warped at best. MM himself at least took a fair bit of the blast as we saw


    This makes no sense, tells us nothing about how close he was and the picture shown tells us they were all pretty close

    The final fight has all sorts of crazy stuff going down and it's not like an exploding vehicle put either of them down.

    I fail to see how the "phasing a pebble inside his force field" thing is relevant here since Homelander cant do that
    The pebble wasn't the poibt of the scan, but to show MM being hurt by something below nuke level.
    Anyway, we see KMM fly away from the craft that KMM and MM were inside of, that was the point. The only thing we do know is that his powers were not deactivated like he claimed they were.

    The picture shows Kmm being away from the blast, unlike the other two.



    Compare that to what MM and KM went through:



    It's stated and shown that a nuke can harm and even kill them depending on how close they are. All we do know is that KMM was not in the hospital afterward, and was instead staggering away after being hit:

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    The pebble wasn't the poibt of the scan, but to show MM being hurt by something below nuke level.
    Then you've missed the point of how the pebble managed to hurt him

    It's like pointing to Kryptonite and saying "a piece of rock killed Superman!"

    Anyway, we see KMM fly away from the craft that KMM and MM were inside of, that was the point.
    No we see KM claim that's what happened

    The only thing we do know is that his powers were not deactivated like he claimed they were.
    So the only thing we know is that KM is an unreliable narrator?

    The picture shows Kmm being away from the blast, unlike the other two.
    On the other hand, MM, a not so unreliable narrator's, version shows all of them being close to the explosion

    Compare that to what MM and KM went through:
    I mean you are literally counting part of MM's story but not the preceding page....

    But in any case even going by your own logic, MM himself was close enough to and survived the nuke. Barely, but he did. Even the part you count as relevant shows him very very close to the explosion as far "hanging back" goes. It's a nuke, not a bullet. A few meters here or there makes little difference

    KM is more powerful than MM in both their fights

    Therefore we can safely say he is somewhere near "can survive nukes at a distance" level

    Is Homelander anywhere close, honestly? From any of his feats thus far?

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    I mean MM's close enough to actually see what happened to Young Miracleman as far as "only Young Miracleman died because he was super close but others were far away" goes

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dork Knight View Post
    Then you've missed the point of how the pebble managed to hurt him
    I was never talking about the "pebble", I was talking about what KMM was hitting MM with. That was made pretty obvious from the final link. Clearly something like that could hurt them enough to leave them in poor shape, and MM is no weaker than he was when the Nuke went off on them. Which further supports KMMs claim to have flown off. For if something like that hitting them burns them like it did to MM, then of course a Nuke would be lethal. Yes KMM is stronger and tougher, but I wouldn't say so much that being directly hit by a Nuke wouldn't, at the very least; put him in the same condition as MM was in just by being somewhat nearish to the explosion.

    No we see KM claim that's what happened
    No, we see flashbacks, and him hitting the earth after the fact is part of the updated canon. We don't assume it's a lie unless there is a contradicting story, and instead we see a flashback from someone who saw him hit the earth.

    So the only thing we know is that KM is an unreliable narrator?
    Nothing to suggest this whatsoever, the last scan verified it.

    On the other hand, MM, a not so unreliable narrator's, version shows all of them being close to the explosion
    Not even remotely true no, and I don't see how you can say this. If you're referring to the scan of YMM dying then the figure in the distance is MM, not KMM. Again, we saw KMMs condition in the last scan I provided, he was nowhere near as messed up as MM was, and we see he was still conscious. Clearly he got far enough to avoid most of the damage.

    I mean you are literally counting part of MM's story but not the preceding page....
    No, you're confused. The one picture is YMM and MM caught in the explosion, KMM isn't in that picture. While you're ignoring the last scan of KMM hitting the earth, dazed and staggering, but otherwise okay.

    But in any case even going by your own logic,
    The story, not my logic, but going off what is seen and stated in the story. Your logic involves thinking a character is lying based on...? Despite the condition he was in from my last scan proving he wasn't remotely close to the explosion(otherwise he would have been in the condition as MM)

    MM himself was close enough to and survived the nuke. Barely, but he did. Even the part you count as relevant shows him very very close to the explosion as far "hanging back" goes. It's a nuke, not a bullet. A few meters here or there makes little difference
    As far as the story was concerned; it was, which means it was likely more than just a "few meters". That was the point of their varying conditions; with KMM being shaken and staggering, YMM being dead, and MM being so badly wounded that he reverted to his normal self which had amnesia from the ordeal. Their distances from the explosion was the implied implication for it.

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    I mean MM's close enough to actually see what happened to Young Miracleman as far as "only Young Miracleman died because he was super close but others were far away" goes
    I specifically stated only one was close, while the other was far away, not sure how you could say otherwise. The first scan takes place after the second scan, meaning it was added on. That's why we didn't see KMM in the second scan, MM only knew about what happened to himself, and YMM during that blast, KMM told him his part, and we see his condition afterwards in the third scan to support his version of the events.

    Is Homelander anywhere close, honestly? From any of his feats thus far?
    No, but he has superior strength feats, as shown by Guy. Doesn't seem capable of taking his own too well, as shown by his fight with Noir, but KMM isn't that strong compared to them. So while KMM has a durability edge, Homelander had a strength edge.
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    I was never talking about the "pebble", I was talking about what KMM was hitting MM with. That was made pretty obvious from the final link. Clearly something like that could hurt them enough to leave them in poor shape,
    The final fight has all sorts of crazy stuff going down
    That's not the only blow he took. To argue that MM was in "poor shape" from one exploding vehicle is to ignore everything else in the fight

    We don't assume it's a lie unless there is a contradicting story
    A contradicting story like KM lying about losing his powers?

    Nothing to suggest this whatsoever, the last scan verified it.
    The last scan that showed KM having his powers which he claimed to have lost?

    KMMs condition in the last scan I provided, he was nowhere near as messed up as MM was, and we see he was still conscious. Clearly he got far enough to avoid most of the damage.
    Or yknow. The guy that was dominating MM twice is just more powerful?

    Your logic involves thinking a character is lying based on...?
    Based on the fact that the guy telling the "got far away from blast" story also in the same sequence says he lost his powers, which he didnt

    Despite the condition he was in from my last scan proving he wasn't remotely close to the explosion(otherwise he would have been in the condition as MM)
    The last scan where he has his powers, yes?

    The one picture is YMM and MM caught in the explosion, KMM isn't in that picture.
    There's clearly 3 people in the picture. Once again, for your convenience.

    https://i.postimg.cc/bJ3Znx5m/image.jpg

    Their distances from the explosion was the implied implication for it.
    Unfortunately the scan above disproves all "implied implications"
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    I specifically stated only one was close, while the other was far away, not sure how you could say otherwise.
    MM only knew about what happened to himself, and YMM during that blast,
    If MM knew what was happening to himself and YMM (according to you), then this scan where there are clearly at least 2 of them right next to each other in the middle of the explosion

    https://i.postimg.cc/bJ3Znx5m/image.jpg

    Such that he can actually see what happens to YMM

    https://i.postimg.cc/kgScQxHy/RCO027.jpg

    Literally disproves your own claim of "one was close, the other was far away" when the distance between the two is clearly shown to be negligible. Since you yourself accept MM's account

    MM only knew about what happened to himself, and YMM during that blast,
    That means MM himself was basically in the epicentre of a nuke, survived

    This guy later got thrashed by KM. Twice.

    Hence KM is rolling around at least somewhere near "survives a nuke" level. Simple.
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    No, but he has superior strength feats, as shown by Guy. Doesn't seem capable of taking his own too well, as shown by his fight with Noir, but KMM isn't that strong compared to them. So while KMM has a durability edge, Homelander had a strength edge.
    Considering the fact that KM could hurt a person on MM's level or even the part where he was one hand using a truck as a weapon , no I dont think Homelander has a strength edge at all

    More pertinently does he have anywhere near this kind of speed?

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    KM for me. It was believed a nuke could kill Homelander and I believe it, Black Noir torn him apart as Homelander is not used to guys his weight class. KM actually makes MM work for it and survived a nuke. Blonde bad Superman goes down.

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