Can the MCU survive without the original Avengers?

[Mr_E_88]

Hi guys

In the 4th phase of the MCU Marvel intends to introduce a number of characters, Sam Wilson as the new Captain America, Jane Foster as the new Thor, and Shang Chi. It will also introduce the mutants and the X-men. But phase 4 will also retire the original Avengers, characters we knew since the start of the MCU.

In your opinion, do you think that the MCU can survive without the original Avengers?

In my opinion, and I may be wrong, I don't think so.

If you haven't noticed, phase 4 looks a lot like the all new all different Marvel movement that happened years ago. I believe that this move, the retirement of the Avengers and introducing these new characters as their replacements will ultimately make the MCU more complex for all the wrong reasons because they are becoming closer to the comics more than they need to be.

Take the story of why Thor became unworthy for an example, it's a very complex story that looks inside his psyche, the story also dwell in the lore of the hammer that has been built for years, not in one or two films. Also, we need to know why Jane Foster became Thor and for how long she will be.

The other problem is that when the Fantastic 4 are introduced we will sure to have Galactus, and he might be the next major villain, and if these new characters become the new Avengers then there is a chance that the movies won't be as exciting as the others, since these characters have never faced a threat near the threat of Galactus.

That's my opinion, what do you guys think?

[gurkle]

I don't know if the MCU will survive because I don't know if movie theatres as we know them will survive. But I am willing to bet that the MCU versions of these stories will be more satisfying than the comic versions. The story of Jane taking over for Thor was unsatisfying in the comics because Thor suddenly became unworthy to hold the hammer for no reason at all (and they spent years teasing an explanation) and then this new female Thor took over and they teased a mystery of who it was and trolled the fans who didn't like this new Thor.

In the MCU it's likely to be a simpler story that doesn't stretch out for years or constantly troll the fans. Jane Foster gets the hammer and becomes the new Thor, it's pretty simple when you come down to it. Ongoing comics make simple premises needlessly complicated and often make existing characters look bad to build up their replacements. I don't think Feige and his writers will make the same mistake. They didn't, for example, have Carol come into the Avengers sequel and upstage the existing heroes and save the day. Because they aren't paid to make dumb choices.

[Tofali]

I think it will survive because the MCU is catering to a bigger demographic than the niche and insular comic book readership.

[BroHomo]

I think it will survive because the MCU is catering to a bigger demographic than the niche and insular comic book readership.

Thank You!
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[skyvolt2000]

I think it will survive because the MCU is catering to a bigger demographic than the niche and insular comic book readership.

Say it again for the folks in the back.

I rather cater to a group who has no issue making Antman, Rocket Raccoon, Black Panther and other popular.

Then deal with a group who think only certain folks should have everything and belittle any success outside of comics.

What looks better in a company's portfolio? A variety of successful franchises or ONE?

[the illustrious mr. kenway]

They made Guardians a household name so I think they'll be fine with the new faces. Its the legacies I 'm worried about as they were hit and miss in the comics. But who knows? maybe the movies will be their chance to get it right.

[Killerbee911]

If you look at the non crap Sony and Fox dished out. Logan, Days of Future Past, Deadpool and Spiderverse . These movies easily outshined every MCU movie that year and that was because they had more chance to be original, more artistic and put their own takes on a marvel movie instead been confined by the MCU Disney way only, which has shown to be painfully limited and very manufactured. Even Venom was seen as a breath of fresh air and formed a cult following.

Due to monopoly, MCU lost artistic interest a long time ago, the question now is can their box office survive with the constant monopoly approach.

That artistic approach nonsense is just a way for fans to peddle their bad opinions. The second you see someone strain themselves to praise freaking Venom you know their points on artistic merit and quality are BS. Venom was hot mess but it was fun. Literally nobody can take anything seriously someone saying is about MCU while praising Venom exactly the type of movie the MCU makes that is being real.

Also Keeping it real why the f*ck are you looking for high art from comic books movies, Comic books in generally is low brow surface level entertainment. Turning comics in the movies/tv shows provides opportunity to lift often mediocre 2 dimensional content in something more because they are force to put things in a real world and work out flaws with stories who aren't trying to be that deep hiding behind of comic books inherent silliness. I have seen writers put on a master class in plot and dialogue in a story in comics and 50% thread was asking were the action was at and 40% thread was mad that Jean Grey didn't have a great showing.

The point is Comics aren't that deep and hitting on "Thor and Hulk doing something cool" is what people walking into movie to wanting happen. Empyre X-men is literally telling a story of Plants versus Zombies and people are here wondering why aren't getting auteur filming making in MCU. It is cool when they tell of one great comic stories or elevate content to something better but most people are walking into a expecting the silly guys in costumes to do fun stuff. The thing most people are mad about Avengers endgame wasn't that time travel wasn't coherent , It was Hulk didn't get Revenge on Thanos. Captain America saying Avengers Assemble and lifting Thor hammer were bigger moments than almost everything. Comic books are greasy fast food, Movies made from that content is going produce to be greasy fast food not gourmet food.

Comics is capable of giving use stuff like the Killing Joke, Born Again, Watchmen, The Dark Knight Returns, God Love Man Kills, Demon in a Bottle,etc but on whole stories aren't that quality. And looking for the genre that is giving you stuff Empyre and Dark Nights :Metal to give you these serious quality content stretching it. I call out some of comic books great stories in a couple sentences back and I guarantee the words Wolverine vs Hulk will get fans more excited than of those things. MCU is going to be just fine.

[Mr_E_88]

I don't know if the MCU will survive because I don't know if movie theatres as we know them will survive. But I am willing to bet that the MCU versions of these stories will be more satisfying than the comic versions. The story of Jane taking over for Thor was unsatisfying in the comics because Thor suddenly became unworthy to hold the hammer for no reason at all (and they spent years teasing an explanation) and then this new female Thor took over and they teased a mystery of who it was and trolled the fans who didn't like this new Thor.

In the MCU it's likely to be a simpler story that doesn't stretch out for years or constantly troll the fans. Jane Foster gets the hammer and becomes the new Thor, it's pretty simple when you come down to it. Ongoing comics make simple premises needlessly complicated and often make existing characters look bad to build up their replacements. I don't think Feige and his writers will make the same mistake. They didn't, for example, have Carol come into the Avengers sequel and upstage the existing heroes and save the day. Because they aren't paid to make dumb choices.

In terms of theaters only time will tell, but regardless I still believe that the MCU needs the original Avengers. There are still so many stories to tell, Avengers vs X-men, Avengers, X-men, and F4 vs Galactus or Onslaught, and much more.

I liked the stories I mentioned were in the comics, but they didn't need to completely replace the original Avengers they could have made them locked in a separate dimension or on a hiatus for cursaide in another planet. But these stories are complex and don't need to be in the MCU.

[gurkle]

I don't think they have to be complex, though, is what I'm saying. The comics are constantly making simple premises complicated because of all the events and relaunches and the need to constantly shake up the status quo for sales. So a simple premise like "Steve Rogers grows old, Sam Wilson takes over as Captain America" somehow wound up as "Sam Wilson is Captain America but so is an evil version of Steve Rogers who was working for HYDRA all along." The MCU can take these stories and not necessarily make them good but at least do them without unnecessary complications and character assassinations.

Edit: And of course the MCU has one huge advantage in that they can kill or retire characters for real (or at least make us think it might be for real), which the comics can't.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

The original Avengers were the central focus of AVENGERS AGE OF ULTRON and that made far less money than the first one, and Infinity War and Endgame (stuffed to the brim with additional characters).

The MCU thrives on novelty, introducing new characters new teams and then merging it together and building forward from that. As long as they do that then it's fine.

[charliehustle415]

People were doubting the MCU for not having the X-Men, so I think they'll be just fine as long as they continue to have Feige steer the ship.