Hand-to-hand combat only.
No weapons/gadgets, or powers allowed.
Hand-to-hand combat only.
No weapons/gadgets, or powers allowed.
I'll give Dinah the edge here, her martial arts skills are among the best in the DCU.
I would give it to Black Widow. Her martial arts and boxing skills are among the best in the MU.
Sadly, I know very little about current Canary, though I'm pretty sure that Pre-Nu52 Canary would take this after a hard fight.
Why are we here?
"Superboy Prime (the yelling guy if he needs clarification)..." - Postmania
"...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move." - Nik
"Why throw punches when you can be making everyone around you sterile mutant corpses?" - Pendaran, regarding Dr. Fate
What kind of feats does she have going for her to show much greater strength? And how's her durability?
Why are we here?
"Superboy Prime (the yelling guy if he needs clarification)..." - Postmania
"...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move." - Nik
"Why throw punches when you can be making everyone around you sterile mutant corpses?" - Pendaran, regarding Dr. Fate
I'd say Canary probably has the slight edge here. Widow is generally shown as a step below CBPH in skill, speed and strength. She's close, but closer to Hawkeye/Ronin/Bucky level than Captain America level. Dinah seems a slight cut above. I don't think it's a stomp, just 6-4 or 7-3 for Canary.
"But... But I want to be a big karate cyborg... ;_;" - Nik Hasta
"Get off my lawn! ...on this forum, that just makes people think of Cyclops." - Sharpandpointies
"...makes me think the Night King just says "Screw the rules, I have magic money" when it comes to physics." -Captain Morgan
I'm in that range.
Again, not talking about current Canary, don't know enough about her.
But for PreNu52, I'm edging toward a decent majority for Canary barring some stellar feats for the Widow. Canary has some really, really good speedfeats (and precision feats), casually beats up street-level martial artists with stat-enhancing exosuits (like, laughable ease), utterly humiliates Ollie after he explicitly is shown to get better after a year of training, impresses Shiva with her skill (impresses, not 'makes Shiva want to kill her'), etc.
Why are we here?
"Superboy Prime (the yelling guy if he needs clarification)..." - Postmania
"...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move." - Nik
"Why throw punches when you can be making everyone around you sterile mutant corpses?" - Pendaran, regarding Dr. Fate
Handbooks don't mean much hereabouts.
Feats do.
Yeah, but if you... man, we're getting into weird analogy territory, like if you disintegrated Superman's arms he wouldn't be able to go "fool! Little did you know that my arms and I are one and can be remade from me!" and will his arms back into being from pure nothingness. - Pendaran
Arx Inosaan
Could go either way
Natasha stalemated Elektra once
While the handbooks are canon in a way, they're... pretty inaccurate. Though there are gems like the Punch Dimension; and an old handbook listing one of Hulk's powers as 'stupid'. Since he lacked higher brainpower at the time, which allowed him to see ghosts and stuff.
So we tend to defer to high end consistent feats. Just smooths things over... does make it hard to debate things sometimes though.
Yeah, but if you... man, we're getting into weird analogy territory, like if you disintegrated Superman's arms he wouldn't be able to go "fool! Little did you know that my arms and I are one and can be remade from me!" and will his arms back into being from pure nothingness. - Pendaran
Arx Inosaan
Yeah, it really comes down to feats.
I'm rather iffy on Widow stalemating Elektra, given Elektra's flat-out ridiculous, consistent feats. She's a high-end bullet-timer considered to be one of the most skilled fighters in the world who punches out people's hearts when she's in a bad mood.
Why are we here?
"Superboy Prime (the yelling guy if he needs clarification)..." - Postmania
"...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move." - Nik
"Why throw punches when you can be making everyone around you sterile mutant corpses?" - Pendaran, regarding Dr. Fate