Why do people think snyder was making superman into evil version like injustice?

[manwhohaseverything]

Here, when asked specifically about "evil Superman".he says he likes the arc of reconciliation, journey.. Etc. He says that "it's not 100% true that he loves evil Superman" . Look at the way he says it. That doesn't seem like a guy who seems overjoyed to make an evil Superman story.

[NaVi]

1: Jonathan Kent's advice is not the best. 2: superman working with the army brings back bad memories. 3: he only has lois and martha, he is very disconnected from the world 4: self-doubt, superman doubt 5: BvS, a superman if I dialogue without scenes, a future superman being the villain.

[GreatKungLao]

Because he doesn't wear red trunks.

Because he was allowed to feel other human emotions besides constant happiness and smiles.

Because his parents told him he can choose not to be a hero if that's what he wants, that he has a choice, that his powers aren't an obligation to do anything, but he still can if that's also what he wishes for.

Because Jonathan told him in BvS that every action, no matter how good your intentions were, can lead to negative consequences, that the world is not that simple.

I highly recommend to watch this at 41:46 and listen to what he has to say about Superman. Definitely sounds like he was leading towards evil Superman, duh:

[manwhohaseverything]

Because he doesn't wear red trunks.

To be fair, trunks or no trunks. The strongman from space will fight for those who can't fight for themselves. He does have a bit of temper. Especially, when people's freedoms are concerned.

[NaVi]

To be fair, trunks or no trunks. The strongman from space will fight for those who can't fight for themselves. He does have a bit of temper. Especially, when people's freedoms are concerned.

hopefully dc presents a third superman series recounting clark / vigilante's early years

[JAK]

there is a future where superman is evil. also if you give DC to choose between an orgy with the Victoria's Secret angels or an evil superman who receives a beating from batman, just by listening to evil superman they have forgotten about the orgy.

This.

But seeing an evil Superman if only for a while seemed a good possibility during the run up to the release. Injustice is quite popular after all.

With all the praise Injustice was getting as the time, and WB's/DC's penchant for running with stupid ideas, it seemed like something they'd like to do. Not permanently, but for a movie or half of a movie.

I don't want "all smiles" (that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard), but I wouldn't want Clark to be DC's Bucky, either.

But back to the main point, many Superman fans, myself included, had come to a point of having a very strong, healthy distrust of WB/DC when it comes to Superman. There's decades of precedent for it. So for us to assume the worst when you combine WB with a fairly edgy-leaning director.... frankly, it's not much of a stretch.

Even setting all that aside, there's a middle-ground between what we ended up getting cinematically and what some seem to think people wanted - that would have done quite nicely. I'd have been crazy excited about that.

This skull scene is nice but kinda dumb. Why did Zod show this to Clark? Kal grew up here and there was a potential that je may theaten their plan. In Age of Ultron it was a false vision planted in Tony's mind which drove his actions in the film. That's a good use of this vision as it drives the plot. But Knightmare sequence as cool looking it maybe (i enjoy that scene quite a lot) makes no sense within the movie. Batman was already fearing/hating Superman.

Exactly. Zod's an idiot.

[manwhohaseverything]

1: Jonathan Kent's advice is not the best. 2: superman working with the army brings back bad memories. 3: he only has lois and martha, he is very disconnected from the world 4: self-doubt, superman doubt 5: BvS, a superman if I dialogue without scenes, a future superman being the villain.

Be that as may. you need to make a pretty big leap to make a guy with doubts, introverted personality and who has parents with "bad" advices into a dictator overlord. As if those don't exist in real life. As if those guys/gals/others all are secretly evil.As for the army, he worked with the army and not for them. He smashed their satellites, broke the handcuffs and told it to their face straight up that they can't control him and will never control him.
I don't believe, that pa's advice to the alien kid who is like god to hide himself, was bad. But, that's a whole another different deal. I am not going to get into that.

[Cyberstrike]

Superman is already shown that he might become a villain in BvS with that whole stupid "knightmare sequence" vision/dream thing. So would Zack Snyder not show him come back to life as a full villain so he can beat up the rest of League and then they might some way to stop and/or redeem him? Plus Henry Cavil doesn't suck as much as an actor when he's playing a villain than a hero, he might have made a great General Zod and Micheal Shannon maybe would have been a better Superman.

[Agent Z]

People see what they want to see. Frankly, these conversations about Snyder's Superman just show how ridiculous fans are at times.

Superman is already shown that he might become a villain in BvS with that whole stupid "knightmare sequence" vision/dream thing. So would Zack Snyder not show him come back to life as a full villain so he can beat up the rest of League and then they might some way to stop and/or redeem him? Plus Henry Cavil doesn't suck as much as an actor when he's playing a villain than a hero, he might have made a great General Zod and Micheal Shannon maybe would have been a better Superman.

Case in point.

[Soubhagya]

There was the Knightmare sequence in BvS. The imagery of millitary and loss of Lois is very reminiscent to Injustice.

I don't think he was going to make a permanently evil Superman. Remember DC wanted Justice League to rival Avengers.

We saw a bit of it played out in Justice League. So there was some plan. How long he was going to be? We can speculate at best. Maybe it was for one scene as in the final movie. Maybe it was for Justice League Part 1 when there were two parts.

[manwhohaseverything]

Micheal Shannon maybe would have been a better Superman.

Michael Shannon superman would have been something to look forward too. Heck! He would be an awesome lor zod.

As for everything else i don't particularly have an opinion. It's not like we need some oscar worthy performance to be superman . Not that i would mind someone absolutely unbelievable playing superman.

There was the Knightmare sequence in BvS. The imagery of millitary and loss of Lois is very reminiscent to Injustice.

Didn't avengers age of ultron have many dream sequence with darkforshadowing including everyone dieing because of thanos? Did it actually happen? No,it didn't. The only person that died was ironman. So, a dark foreshadowing =/= what will absolutely happen. We had two dreams sequences in both ww and mos. Clark was swimming in skulls remember.did this happen for real?

[manwhohaseverything]

This is another dream sequence/temptation in wonderwoman.

As you know wonderwoman said no the same as kal.

there is a future where superman is evil. also if you give DC to choose between an orgy with the Victoria's Secret angels or an evil superman who receives a beating from batman, just by listening to evil superman they have forgotten about the orgy.

Lol! This reasoning i can atleast get behind. But, a dark possible future does not mean The future is locked in. As you can see we have had multiple temptation sequences in these movies.Bvs temptation scene was of batman's.

[Soubhagya]

Michael Shannon superman would have been something to look forward too. Heck! He would be an awesome lor zod.

As for everything else i don't particularly have an opinion. It's not like we need some oscar worthy performance to be superman . Not that i would mind someone absolutely unbelievable playing superman.


Didn't avengers age of ultron have many dream sequence with darkforshadowing including everyone dieing because of thanos? Did it actually happen? No,it didn't. The only person that died was ironman. So, a dark foreshadowing =/= what will absolutely happen. We had two dreams sequences in both ww and mos. Clark was swimming in skulls remember.did this happen for real?

If there was no fight between resurrected Superman and Justice League i would have agreed with you completely.

Zack Snyder has tastes towards darker/edgier takes. Its easy to make connections while speculating. Wasn't he the guy who said his Bruce Wayne could have been raped in prison, when speaking about the public perception of darker/serious take of Nolan's Batman?

I am not sure what he would have done. But seeing an evil Superman if only for a while seemed a good possibility during the run up to the release. Injustice is quite popular after all.

This skull scene is nice but kinda dumb. Why did Zod show this to Clark? Kal grew up here and there was a potential that je may theaten their plan. In Age of Ultron it was a false vision planted in Tony's mind which drove his actions in the film. That's a good use of this vision as it drives the plot. But Knightmare sequence as cool looking it maybe (i enjoy that scene quite a lot) makes no sense within the movie. Batman was already fearing/hating Superman.

All are speculations. I wouldn't mind being completely wrong when Snyder cut comes out.

[NaVi]

Be that as may. you need to make a pretty big leap to make a guy with doubts, introverted personality and who has parents with "bad" advices into a dictator overlord. As if those don't exist in real life. As if those guys/gals/others all are secretly evil.As for the army, he worked with the army and not for them. He smashed their satellites, broke the handcuffs and told it to their face straight up that they can't control him and will never control him.
I don't believe, that pa's advice to the alien kid who is like god to hide himself, was bad. But, that's a whole another different deal. I am not going to get into that.

there is a future where superman is evil. also if you give DC to choose between an orgy with the Victoria's Secret angels or an evil superman who receives a beating from batman, just by listening to evil superman they have forgotten about the orgy.