Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
You obviously have an issue with "political correctness" and that explains the nostalgia for an era which trafficked in taboo-crossing crude taste storytelling.
I have an issue when political correctness hurts a story or argue it is bad. And you act like the 2000s were the 1940s

I think he watches too much Southpark.
That is ad homenin attack

Because of the power differential in the workplace. When Stark seduces his interns, he has soft power and other exercising over them while also contributing and perpetrating a workplace culture where women are seen as arm candy first and as coworkers and colleagues second.
Stark didn't date interns he dated celebrities and models and later engaged with Black Widow. At best he passed a wink and nod to them.

Why do people and fans assume that Lee and Kirby were some kind of morons who lacked sophistication and intuition?
I don't but during the silver age and the 60s comics were just serial adventures for younger audiences. Sure some of them had some subtle messages like the Uncanny X Men but for the most part they were just fun adventure books. If you want a sophisticated story don't name your villain Dr Doom (who wasn't even a real doctor and they had to retcon it later that he granted himself a PhD). His backstory about his family didn't become a thing until 2006. Yes it was an interesting idea of having Latveria being a perfect country and wanting to replicate that for the world did reel him in and somewhat justify his goal of world domination but he certainly was never a hero type. He was the definition of giving up freedom in favor of safety. Even in his 2006 origin they make it clear he was a sociopath because of his mother's death (and btw his father was Romani)

Did showing that Doom was an effective albeit authoritarian fascist who did turn his country from a tiny backwater country to a thriving utopia and just wanted that for the world? Yes but at the end of the day he was still a fascist megalomaniac who wanted total world domination even if he promised peace and prosperity. The idea of Doom being a sympathetic villain and a potential hero didn't really take off until the 90s because at the end of the day he was still a fascist dictator

MCU took inspiration from everything. Avengers 2012 mashed together the first ever Avengers issue where Loki harasses the Avengers and makes them all team up against him, while borrowing the name and concept of a Chitauri army from Ultimates (albeit changing their powers and abilities to no longer make them Skrull knockoff). But in general, its borrowings from The Ultimates is just from Vol. 1 and even then fairly surface. In general Bryan Hitch, the artist behind the look of the Ultimates was far more influential than the writer Mark Millar. In the grand scheme of things, the MCU evolved and centered on franchises like Guardians of the Galaxy and Black Panther who weren't heavily featured in the Ultimates. The version of Thor we see in the movies is drawn from 616 (JMS' run for the first movie, Simonson's, Kirby's, and Aaron's run for the third). The overarching storyline of the MCU is Jim Starlin's THE INFINITY GAUNTLET which is 616.
The Chitarui were the Skrulls in the Ultimates. Skrull was another name they were called. However I will concede that point.