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THE CBR COMMUNITY STANDARDS & RULES ~ So... what's your excuse now?
Yes, I'm not sure why that is, I guess the hardcore fans of that era are older and have mellowed out...probably a good thing.
Mark Waid is doing a good job on Dr. Strange right now, but yes, generally whenever a writer returns to a title after several years or decades...I normally find it really disappointing.
The entire gosh darned point is that it is nowhere near the same thing. You're pedaling this false equivalency like it was exactly the same situation when it very, very, very much was not. We've gone into absolute, excruciating detail as to why it's not the same in this very thread.
Last edited by Conn Seanery; 08-14-2020 at 06:55 PM.
Regardless Barry is the Flash now and unless if things change with the new management I don't see the point in complaining about some Wally fans not liking Barry enough.
I was more into Impulse and XS than either one but what I can say is DC seemed to forget that you have to bring in newer and younger readers as well. What I remember seeing throughout the 2000s was DC giving the finger to that over and over again so when I see a thread like this I don't get it to be honest. When they made decisions like that it just drove me more towards Image, Valiant, manga, and the like.
Last edited by Conn Seanery; 08-14-2020 at 06:56 PM.
How were Barry and Hal anything like Wally and Kyle?Making matters worse was the whole Flashpoin/52 thing. Not only was there a perfectly good ELSEWORLDS label in which to tell stories about altered versions of the heroes that they did not use, but they took this so-called fresh start and merely stick Kyle and Wally in Hal and Barry drag and thought no one would notice.
For the most fine and has sold decently even with Williamson’s flaws
So just because they brought back an old hero means they aren’t focusing on newer readers. Flash and Green Lantern Rebirth were some of my favorite dc comics and what really got me into comicsI was more into Impulse and XS than either one but what I can say is DC seemed to forget that you have to bring in newer and younger readers as well. What I remember seeing throughout the 2000s was DC giving the finger to that over and over again so when I see a thread like this I don't get it to be honest. When they made decisions like that it just drove me more towards Image, Valiant, manga, and the like.
I'm not quite sure who your quoting, but Hal and Barry have universal appeal to both the young and the old. Hal Jordan in particular wouldn't have been able to sell for over 15 years straight on old readers alone. He was one of DC's top selling comics under Geoff Johns. I've dropped Green Lantern because I find Grant Morrison's work unbearable, but someone is still buying it.
As for the Flash, sadly sales with Wally had been dropping for years, and Bart didn't sell well enough to pass the title onto him, so for better or worse, Geoff Johns brought Barry Allen back in hopes he could generate the same sales numbers as Rebirth.
At present, Barry Allen still sells, when he ceases to do so, they will either give the title a rest for a while like they do routinely with Aquaman, or they will look at a creative change, be Wally or Wallace West.
When they first cancelled Wally his sales were as good as The Flash ever is. They were actually crossing over with Wonder Woman to boost her sales (which worked! The crossover sold out!). Batman and Superman were still ahead, and GL just had a relaunch with Rebirth and a new #1 and such but still. Seriously, when Johns left the comic it was hitting 50k marks and doing well in trades. It dropped to...45k despite being cancelled and losing Johns. It was very popular after an incredibly long run.
You're also wrong about Bart. though that's on a technicality. Even his last comic was selling absurdly high. It just had a precipitous fall from lack of quality and the trend was showing that it was going to get to bad sales numbers fast. Predictable failure but it actually sold like gangbusters at first. People were excited to see Bart as The Flash, even Wally fans. Seriously, go look at The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive sales numbers. Even outside of the #1 which was overbought from prospectors, the ensuing sales were really good until everyone realized what a mess it was. Its worst comic hit 47k!
And again, not true. In the DCYou period The Flash had far worse sales than Bart or Wally ever did. And I didn't hear a whiff about replacing or doing anything with Barry.
Last edited by Dred; 08-14-2020 at 09:06 PM.