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    I guess the MJ we know for sure that Peter was her first is Ultimate MJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Taylor View Post
    I was unaware of the physical abuse. It kind of makes sense, though to me Norman hasn't really shown that side over the years so its inconsistent with his character. I mean, put him in a goblin mask with Spider-Man tied up and sure, he's abusive. But he has always had a genuine soft spot for Harry, or at least thats how I think if their relationship.
    Norman cared for Harry, part of it was genuine paternal love but it was also the fact that he was an Osborn and the legacy behind that name (thougth is more the later than the former).

    The reason of why their relationship is toxic is because Norman is following the example of his own abusive father and pretty much treats Harry the same way he was treated, thinking than that would make a man out of him, but it just let him deeply insecure and starving from love. So for a long time, Norman did care, hell he was genuely hurt as parent after knowing about his death, it was why he "even the score" with Peter by killing or kidnapping Mayday, but is care is not healthy.
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    Norman arguably never cared about Harry in any healthy way. By that I mean that his love was always conditional. Once Harry got to an age where it was clear that he would never be like Norman, he kinda stopped caring. Norman in a twisted way has more love for Peter even with all the **** he put him through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaitou D. Kid View Post
    Norman arguably never cared about Harry in any healthy way. By that I mean that his love was always conditional. Once Harry got to an age where it was clear that he would never be like Norman, he kinda stopped caring. Norman in a twisted way has more love for Peter even with all the **** he put him through.
    It was never healthy, i think that at the beginning before Emily died (or dissapeared, i heard that Slott retconed that) his care might have been genuine, but then it became all about the Osborn Legacy and standing above everyone else. His interest on Peter is sparked by the fact that he has all the quality that he wanted Harry (also Norman would never admit this out loud, but he knows that deep down Peter is an stronger man that he would ever be, so he wants to bring him down to his level) to have, he probably saw something of himself on Peter i even remember a flashback story when the Parkers visited Osborn installations when Peter was a kid and Norman took a liking to Peter for being a kid interested on science and scientific pursuits and wishing that Harry was the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCape View Post
    It was never healthy, i think that at the beginning before Emily died (or dissapeared, i heard that Slott retconed that) his care might have been genuine, but then it became all about the Osborn Legacy and standing above everyone else. His interest on Peter is sparked by the fact that he has all the quality that he wanted Harry (also Norman would never admit this out loud, but he knows that deep down Peter is an stronger man that he would ever be, so he wants to bring him down to his level) to have, he probably saw something of himself on Peter i even remember a flashback story when the Parkers visited Osborn installations when Peter was a kid and Norman took a liking to Peter for being a kid interested on science and scientific pursuits and wishing that Harry was the same.
    That makes him sound a lot like the Joker with Batman, or Harvey Dent if you count The Dark Knight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    That makes him sound a lot like the Joker with Batman, or Harvey Dent if you count The Dark Knight.
    Ditko studied at the feet of Jerry Robinson, Joker's original artist and designer, so Goblin has a lot of Joker in him. He's Ditko's homage to the Clown Prince of Crime.

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    Mark Hamill voiced The Hobgoblin. Just sayin' .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    That makes him sound a lot like the Joker with Batman, or Harvey Dent if you count The Dark Knight.
    I supposed, i think that what it makes work between Peter and Norman is the amount of personal history between, both in and out of costume, that's something that Joker can't really claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    Ditko studied at the feet of Jerry Robinson, Joker's original artist and designer, so Goblin has a lot of Joker in him. He's Ditko's homage to the Clown Prince of Crime.
    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Mark Hamill voiced The Hobgoblin. Just sayin' .
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    I supposed, i think that what it makes work between Peter and Norman is the amount of personal history between, both in and out of costume, that's something that Joker can't really claim.
    Good points there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzerox21xx View Post
    I guess the MJ we know for sure that Peter was her first is Ultimate MJ.
    Who was MJ first in the main Universe

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