I guess the MJ we know for sure that Peter was her first is Ultimate MJ.
I guess the MJ we know for sure that Peter was her first is Ultimate MJ.
Norman cared for Harry, part of it was genuine paternal love but it was also the fact that he was an Osborn and the legacy behind that name (thougth is more the later than the former).
The reason of why their relationship is toxic is because Norman is following the example of his own abusive father and pretty much treats Harry the same way he was treated, thinking than that would make a man out of him, but it just let him deeply insecure and starving from love. So for a long time, Norman did care, hell he was genuely hurt as parent after knowing about his death, it was why he "even the score" with Peter by killing or kidnapping Mayday, but is care is not healthy.
"Wow. You made Spider-Man sad, congratulations. I stabbed The Hulk last week"
Wolverine, Venom Annual # 1 (2018)
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Norman arguably never cared about Harry in any healthy way. By that I mean that his love was always conditional. Once Harry got to an age where it was clear that he would never be like Norman, he kinda stopped caring. Norman in a twisted way has more love for Peter even with all the **** he put him through.
It was never healthy, i think that at the beginning before Emily died (or dissapeared, i heard that Slott retconed that) his care might have been genuine, but then it became all about the Osborn Legacy and standing above everyone else. His interest on Peter is sparked by the fact that he has all the quality that he wanted Harry (also Norman would never admit this out loud, but he knows that deep down Peter is an stronger man that he would ever be, so he wants to bring him down to his level) to have, he probably saw something of himself on Peter i even remember a flashback story when the Parkers visited Osborn installations when Peter was a kid and Norman took a liking to Peter for being a kid interested on science and scientific pursuits and wishing that Harry was the same.
"Wow. You made Spider-Man sad, congratulations. I stabbed The Hulk last week"
Wolverine, Venom Annual # 1 (2018)
Nobody does it better by Jeff Loveness
"I am Thou, Thou Art I"
Persona
"Wow. You made Spider-Man sad, congratulations. I stabbed The Hulk last week"
Wolverine, Venom Annual # 1 (2018)
Nobody does it better by Jeff Loveness
"I am Thou, Thou Art I"
Persona
I don't understand what protection has to do with anything.
The non intercourse sexual encounter is a way to reconcile Sins Past saying Peter and Gwen never had sex, and Spider-Man:Blue showing them about to get intimate in his bedroom. Protection or not is irrelevant to the issue as far as I can tell.
Gwen seems like the type to not kiss on the first date and not have sex until marriage. MJ probably did kiss on the first date, but I don't think she would have had sex until a few dates down the road. Maybe she'd be inclined to wait until marriage as well, but I think she could do it out of love.
For different reasons though - Gwen was more of a traditionalist, and would be disinclined to sleep around, and MJ had emotional and physical baggage from abuse in her past, which could prevent easy intimacy.
I know that flies in the face of Sins Past, but what doesn't? If you want to make an argument for Gwen lapsing, its because her father had just recently died a horrific and meaningless death and she had just broken up with Peter. Emotionally compromised.
Last edited by Scott Taylor; 11-17-2020 at 02:24 PM.
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