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    I've always thought it was hilarious that Peter Parker, a 15 year old boy, created white fluid in his free time and no-one else found it funny.
    The web fluid should be part of his superpowers, like in the Raimi movie. Its done right there, even if it strays too far from the original story.
    I always thought it admirable restraint that the creators didn't go wild and give Peter extra spider powers--like web fluid in his body--and stuck to him only getting the relative strength and agility of a spider. I don't even think that Spidey senses were meant to be a power, per se, but more just a thing about Peter like Ralph Dibny's twitching nose. It's not a power--it's just that Peter is a highly intelligent young man and he can figure out when something isn't right. And Peter inventing web shooters is another way to show how intelligent he is and that he can experiment with the tech. This is how Spider-Man is a marriage of Superman and Batman in one character.
    Um. Don't think so. I've been rereading that era lately, and Spidey Sense started being used pretty early on for things like navigating in pitch darkness and the like. It did tend to be a bit more hit or miss in his first issue or two, but that went away pretty fast.

    As for the webbing, I also liked the Rami solution, but also like the idea of the shooters. I sometimes thought a compromise might be to give him the organic webbing, but have Spider-Man design compressed air devices that let him shoot it further, and manipulate it better. But then, Ditko never asked me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    Um. Don't think so. I've been rereading that era lately, and Spidey Sense started being used pretty early on for things like navigating in pitch darkness and the like. It did tend to be a bit more hit or miss in his first issue or two, but that went away pretty fast.
    This is correct. it was established early on that his Spider Sense was a super power. In fact Dr Doom uses a wave length designed to be picked up by Peters Spider sense. And several villains talk about how hard it is to over come Spiderman because of his Spider Sense. it was a straight up super power.

    Now not a comic but in tv and movies. When watching a show that takes place in space and a ship is being blocked by another and they are like man how can we get around? Does anyone in space not realize they can like go over or under the other ship? this happens in Star Trek all the time. Just Warp out fly down and try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    This is correct. it was established early on that his Spider Sense was a super power. In fact Dr Doom uses a wave length designed to be picked up by Peters Spider sense. And several villains talk about how hard it is to over come Spiderman because of his Spider Sense. it was a straight up super power.
    About Spider-man’s Spider Sense, there’s a hilarious text on Les super-héros face ŕ la science.

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    EXCUSE ME, MY SPIDEY-SENSE TELLS ME THAT THERE IS A VIRUS IN MY E-MAILS
    In Spectacular Spider-Man 8 V2, our hero is unknowingly surrounded by an entire commando of warriors in military garb hidden in the vegetation of Central Park, pointing their assault rifles at him. Without being especially paranoid, you would be in the place of his spidey sense, you would find it a bit suspicious, wouldn't you? Well, not at all. His Spidey-sense is silent because he knows very well that they don't intend to use their force immediately and that, for the moment, they are only coming to negotiate. If you find out how it works, contact me, we will make a fortune selling alarm systems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    This is correct. it was established early on that his Spider Sense was a super power. In fact Dr Doom uses a wave length designed to be picked up by Peters Spider sense. And several villains talk about how hard it is to over come Spiderman because of his Spider Sense. it was a straight up super power.

    Now not a comic but in tv and movies. When watching a show that takes place in space and a ship is being blocked by another and they are like man how can we get around? Does anyone in space not realize they can like go over or under the other ship? this happens in Star Trek all the time. Just Warp out fly down and try again.
    Yeah, that would be the problem of the limitation of the imagination/intelligence/education of the writer(s). It's why I would be very wary of ever trying to write a "super smart" character -- because I certainly am not, so it would suck, when I inevitably have my "super smart" characters end up doing very dumb things!

    But yah, I grew up reading Star Trek books along with watching the show, and I recall reading at least one book where they specifically made a big deal about how that was supposedly a part of what made Captain Kirk (and the few others like him) an outstanding starship tactician -- that, due to being primarily oriented to thinking in terms of an environment with gravity -- where there is always an "up" and "down" -- most people are at a disadvantage fighting in outer space, where there is no real up/down, and your (ship's) orientation to any other object is not even just relative, but also explicitly dependent on how you view it.

    I'm not even sure I was able to explain that in a way that makes sense, but one analogy used was that a battle with ships on the sea is fundamentally different from a battle with ships in space, because the sea ships can only move in two dimensions...
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    See I am the same way. that is why I could never write a sci Fi story. I know nothing about real science. I would have to make so much shit up. I can write a good military story though. I have seen the Movie patton like 4 times so I picked some stuff up.


    I understand the no up and down in space. I see how people in Sci Fi movies and books are hampered by how they look at Space and such. But these super advanced star ships have navigational computers and such. Just tell the computer

    "I am in section A and want to get to section C but there are jerks blocking me in Section B. How do we fix this?"

    I dont assume Star Ship travel is like the police chasing a drunk down i-75 where three cops cars across the road stop them cold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Allen View Post
    Yeah, that would be the problem of the limitation of the imagination/intelligence/education of the writer(s). It's why I would be very wary of ever trying to write a "super smart" character -- because I certainly am not, so it would suck, when I inevitably have my "super smart" characters end up doing very dumb things!

    But yah, I grew up reading Star Trek books along with watching the show, and I recall reading at least one book where they specifically made a big deal about how that was supposedly a part of what made Captain Kirk (and the few others like him) an outstanding starship tactician -- that, due to being primarily oriented to thinking in terms of an environment with gravity -- where there is always an "up" and "down" -- most people are at a disadvantage fighting in outer space, where there is no real up/down, and your (ship's) orientation to any other object is not even just relative, but also explicitly dependent on how you view it.

    I'm not even sure I was able to explain that in a way that makes sense, but one analogy used was that a battle with ships on the sea is fundamentally different from a battle with ships in space, because the sea ships can only move in two dimensions...
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    See I am the same way. that is why I could never write a sci Fi story. I know nothing about real science. I would have to make so much shit up. I can write a good military story though. I have seen the Movie patton like 4 times so I picked some stuff up.


    I understand the no up and down in space. I see how people in Sci Fi movies and books are hampered by how they look at Space and such. But these super advanced star ships have navigational computers and such. Just tell the computer

    "I am in section A and want to get to section C but there are jerks blocking me in Section B. How do we fix this?"

    I dont assume Star Ship travel is like the police chasing a drunk down i-75 where three cops cars across the road stop them cold.
    When I think on it, the only time I've seen this done sensibly, is in the TNG finale, "All Good Things," when Future Enterprise comes raging in on The Klingons from below.

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    Wasn't 3 dimensional thinking the whole battle strategy in Wrath of Khan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    See I am the same way. that is why I could never write a sci Fi story. I know nothing about real science. I would have to make so much shit up. I can write a good military story though. I have seen the Movie patton like 4 times so I picked some stuff up.
    Most people don’t know about real science. It just has to look plausible. Science-fiction stories can be irritating just for specialists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    Wasn't 3 dimensional thinking the whole battle strategy in Wrath of Khan?
    That you mention it, that definitely sounds familiar ... and I could see how it might make sense story-wise, to say that someone from an era pre-star flight, like Khan, would be at a disadvantage, strategically. But ... from memory, didn't the Enterprise just like surprise them by popping out of some kind of space cloud, something like that?

    I don't know, that would probably be an example of the problem I referred to before -- even if the writers wanted to sound like the characters were doing something really smart like 3 dimensional thinking, the trick is that they have to actually be smart enough to think of something that would outsmart a genius strategist who is unfortunately hobbled by 2-dimensional thinking.

    Then, there's Zelena's point, too ... if your strategy is actually too brilliant, you might just lose the audience. So, I guess you want to walk the fine line of being just smart enough to be impressive, but not smart enough to lose the audience.
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    This bugs me in that I can’t think far enough back to know if it’s ever been addressed.

    Who built Dr. Strange’s Sanctum and when?
    Who if anyone lived there before him?
    Does he rent or own?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Allen View Post
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    When I think on it, the only time I've seen this done sensibly, is in the TNG finale, "All Good Things," when Future Enterprise comes raging in on The Klingons from below.
    Wasn't 3 dimensional thinking the whole battle strategy in Wrath of Khan?
    That you mention it, that definitely sounds familiar ... and I could see how it might make sense story-wise, to say that someone from an era pre-star flight, like Khan, would be at a disadvantage, strategically. But ... from memory, didn't the Enterprise just like surprise them by popping out of some kind of space cloud, something like that?
    Yes-ish to both Adam and Kirby. Kirk did have Enterprise drop its position "vertically down" relative to its bow angle in TWoK, then come back "up" after Kahn's Reliant had passed "overhead" in an effort to come in behind them. However, except for those two Z-axis changes, the space battles were entirely within a two-dimensional frame, including what came after the Z-axis changes. It wasn't the same a full 3D maneuvering engagement.

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    This bugs me in that I can’t think far enough back to know if it’s ever been addressed.

    Who built Dr. Strange’s Sanctum and when?
    Who if anyone lived there before him?
    Does he rent or own?
    Pretty sure he owns it. The Official Handbook of The Marvel Universe had an entry detailing some of its history, but it was pretty vague.

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    ^^^thanks, DrNewGod.

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    The Santcum is in NY. I believe I have seen it, for real. I don't know where it is exactly, but one building looks like it, with the window and all. Anyone have an idea, where it actually is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanMad1977 View Post
    The Santcum is in NY. I believe I have seen it, for real. I don't know where it is exactly, but one building looks like it, with the window and all. Anyone have an idea, where it actually is?
    I don't think so. It's not on Bleeker Street. And that window is pure Ditko.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    I don't think so. It's not on Bleeker Street. And that window is pure Ditko.
    I walked up and down Bleeker St. about a thousand times when I was a kid, hoping the Sanctum would suddenly just...pop up. It never did, but it was always fun to imagine...

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