Empyre: X-men #4 - "You're a damned fool, woman" review *spoilers*

[GenericUsername]

And all the Avengers related things swept HoM under rug. Her solo didn't even address the giant elephant in the room

No they just don't even mention it. Because those books moved on. The x-titles seem to only bring her in to antagonize. Of course her solo wasn't gonna address it. In their eyes they finished that story already.

[Rev9]

I hate to be that dude but doesn't this issue confirm those resurrected are clones? Definitely pegs more questions for the souls or lack there of aspect of it all, Kurt has his work cut out for him with this new religion he's working on.

.........Word

[ExodusCloak]

1) She didn't "sought power", the reason she wanted the life force was so she have children.

2) The fact that she was corrupted by a outside force rather than breaking down on her own makes her LESS sympathetic? Only if you're being petty honestly.

3) She's not portrayed as "being an idiot" on the Avengers books she's been in(Zub's UA, No Surrender, No Road Home) or her solo.

1. She sought out that power. Thats clear as day in CC. She went to Doom to help her channel the life force. It was her idea. She sought out the power to create children. End of the day she still sought out the power to do so

2. Breaking dowm because her mental illness is a side effect of her power vs seeking out power makes her more sympathetic. The first thing she can't help she was born that way the second shows her as selfish

3. Shes portrayed as an idiot in Remenders UA, Axis, A+X, here, CC

[stormphoenix]

This was by far was my favorite.

I LOVE the Conversation Explody-Boy has with his Zombie self. Very Cute.

[ExodusCloak]

No they just don't even mention it. Because those books moved on. The x-titles seem to only bring her in to antagonize. Of course her solo wasn't gonna address it. In their eyes they finished that story already.

They don't mention it, that is precisely the problem. They ignored a massive plot point that sent the X-world reeling for 10 years

[Triniking1234]

Souls are Catholic propaganda. Gimme your money instead so I can get a new gaming PC.

Also why are we including AXIS? The inversion spell was Rogue's (UA leader) idea to counter Red Skull access of his telepathic powers and Iron Man, Strange and Wanda went along with it cuz they had no other options.

[gurkle]

The Life force didn't exist in HoM when Bendis wrote that. He had Strange say there was no external influences whatsoever. So he intended her powers to evolve and the losing track of what's real and what's altered to be a side effect of her power.

The Life force was a retcon which made her less sympathetic as she wasn't genuinely mentally ill just selfish and sought out power which backfired

Bendis didn’t evolve her powers that way, he just suddenly declared that these had always been her powers. No one else had portrayed her powers this way. Even this mini showed that she needed lots of artifacts & preparation to do a big spell.

Again, HoM is unusual because it’s become Wanda’s defining story even though:

1. She’s barely in it, and
2. When she is in it, all the information about her is inaccurate. She didn’t have the power to alter reality on a whim; she wasn’t a self hating mutant, Magneto did not abandon them, etc.

The “Life Force” is dumb but it was just a quick fix to explain why she suddenly had powers she never had before or again.

[GenericUsername]

They don't mention it, that is precisely the problem. They ignored a massive plot point that sent the X-world reeling for 10 years

Welcome to comics. Where they ignore massive plot points all the time. Especially aged ones.

[ExodusCloak]

Bendis didn’t evolve her powers that way, he just suddenly declared that these had always been her powers. No one else had portrayed her powers this way. Even this mini showed that she needed lots of artifacts & preparation to do a big spell.

Again, HoM is unusual because it’s become Wanda’s defining story even though:

1. She’s barely in it, and
2. When she is in it, all the information about her is inaccurate. She didn’t have the power to alter reality on a whim; she wasn’t a self hating mutant, Magneto did not abandon them, etc.

The “Life Force” is dumb but it was just a quick fix to explain why she suddenly had powers she never had before or again.

Yes like how mutant powers evolve hers evolved and the true nature of her power was revealed. That was Bendis intention. You can argue that it was rushed although disassembled was the build up to HoM and Darker then Scarlet was the precedent

[ExodusCloak]

Welcome to comics. Where they ignore massive plot points all the time. Especially aged ones.

It was not an aged one, it was never addressed and yet affected the X-books while Wanda visited Dublin airport. It would make sense that it would be a part of mutant culture as it was a historic moment in mutant history

[gurkle]

They don't mention it, that is precisely the problem. They ignored a massive plot point that sent the X-world reeling for 10 years

The X-stories are exactly the same if Doom or some other villain did it. There’s no reason to want it revisited (except maybe to explain who really did Decimation) except to want to punish Wanda for one writer’s mistake.

[GenericUsername]

Yes like how mutant powers evolve hers evolved and the true nature of her power was revealed. That was Bendis intention. You can argue that it was rushed although disassembled was the build up to HoM and Darker then Scarlet was the precedent

Funny how none of that evolution made it onto the actual pages. She just suddenly has a power that they have to retcon later because it didn't match up to how her powers worked before.

Darker than Scarlet being used by Bendis is the worst example. It was also 15 years before Disassembled. And Wanda had worked through the loss of her kids. So Bendis acting like she forgot her kids again, after she had already remembered did not line up at all.

[GenericUsername]

It was not an aged one, it was never addressed and yet affected the X-books while Wanda visited Dublin airport. It would make sense that it would be a part of mutant culture as it was a historic moment in mutant history

HoM is very aged. And I don't like their attempts at redemption before either, but that was what they came up with. The Avengers side doesn't care what the X-side wants or needs. They are seemingly two competitive offices. You'll just have to reconcile that.

[ExodusCloak]

The X-stories are exactly the same if Doom or some other villain did it. There’s no reason to want it revisited (except maybe to explain who really did Decimation) except to want to punish Wanda for one writer’s mistake.

There's a reason to explore it to retcon it properly but even the Marvel writers never wanted to fully retcon it. Because they went too far.

[Wiccan]

1. She sought out that power. Thats clear as day in CC. She went to Doom to help her channel the life force. It was her idea.

2. Breaking dowm because her mental illness is a side effect of her power vs seeking out power makes her more sympathetic. The first thing she can't help she was born that way the second shows her as selfish

3. Shes portrayed as an idiot in Remenders UA, Axis, A+X, here, CC

The way you phrased it made it seem like she was poher-hungry wanting power for herself which wasn't the case. She only needed it for one specific spell and didn't know it would get inside her.

Bendis made it so the reason why she had mental illness was basiclaly "cause she's Magneto's daughter and has daddy issues" which is dumb. It's all kind of confusing and ill-defined, but either way afaik she still has/had a form of mentall illness, it was just either caused or exacerbated by the life force.

I won't completely argue about AU/AXIS/A+X(though I wouldn't call her an idiot), but she's definetely not an idiot on CC, she's apologetic, does all she can to fix things, and the spell would've probably been undone if it wasn't for Patriot interrupting.