The Batman Movie

[Frontier]

Give that man a top hat, monocle, and umbrella.

Riddler looks a little too try-hard. Every Bat-Villain needs to be an edgy serial killer at some point.

[charliehustle415]

Give that man a top hat, monocle, and umbrella.

Riddler looks a little too try-hard. Every Bat-Villain needs to be an edgy serial killer at some point.

The overall aesthetic of this film is not my bag, feels too much like Se7en; I feel like we will never get a non grimDark Batman film ever again

[godisawesome]

Give that man a top hat, monocle, and umbrella.

Riddler looks a little too try-hard. Every Bat-Villain needs to be an edgy serial killer at some point.

I think part of the reason I’m cold on this design for Riddler, rather than being against it for another supervillain, is that the Zodiac killer was very much actually (and horrifically) trying to be a supervillain… but not a Riddler type of supervillain. It’s also not the first time that people have tried redoing Riddler because for whatever reason they can’t make either the spandex-maniac or the dapper mastermind work… and none of them have really left much of an impact.

I have no doubt that Paul Dano will do a good job playing a Zodiac-style serial killer, to the point it’ll feel like a Key and Peele sketch of a serial killer done dramatically (and done well at that). I have no doubt that Reeves will use Riddler’s riddles excellently in the film. It just feels really weird that those two facts are connected on the same character, especially when Penguin seems to be a nightclub owner who’s only missing a weaponized umbrella, Catwoman’s got her whip and a make-shift cowl, and it feels like in comparison Riddler is being completely redone.

Before they confirmed it was Dano in the mask and with the duct tape, I had this theory Dano would play a Riddler separate from the killer, basically having uncovered everything about him and taunting Gotham with that knowledge to show his superiors, and basically playing the ultimate knowledge broker. It *does* make more sense for Riddler to just be the killer as well… but I just think that Paul Dini in the comics and BTAS as a show have pretty clearly laced out how to handle him well - he’s more like a smugger version of Professor Moriarty as a consulting criminal than a Joker redux.

[Frontier]

The overall aesthetic of this film is not my bag, feels too much like Se7en; I feel like we will never get a non grimDark Batman film ever again

I wouldn't rule it out. At some point someone is going to want to do something different.

I think part of the reason I’m cold on this design for Riddler, rather than being against it for another supervillain, is that the Zodiac killer was very much actually (and horrifically) trying to be a supervillain… but not a Riddler type of supervillain. It’s also not the first time that people have tried redoing Riddler because for whatever reason they can’t make either the spandex-maniac or the dapper mastermind work… and none of them have really left much of an impact.

I have no doubt that Paul Dano will do a good job playing a Zodiac-style serial killer, to the point it’ll feel like a Key and Peele sketch of a serial killer done dramatically (and done well at that). I have no doubt that Reeves will use Riddler’s riddles excellently in the film. It just feels really weird that those two facts are connected on the same character, especially when Penguin seems to be a nightclub owner who’s only missing a weaponized umbrella, Catwoman’s got her whip and a make-shift cowl, and it feels like in comparison Riddler is being completely redone.

Before they confirmed it was Dano in the mask and with the duct tape, I had this theory Dano would play a Riddler separate from the killer, basically having uncovered everything about him and taunting Gotham with that knowledge to show his superiors, and basically playing the ultimate knowledge broker. It *does* make more sense for Riddler to just be the killer as well… but I just think that Paul Dini in the comics and BTAS as a show have pretty clearly laced out how to handle him well - he’s more like a smugger version of Professor Moriarty as a consulting criminal than a Joker redux.

I wonder if we'll get at least one "Riddle Me This, Batman...."

[bat39]

Give that man a top hat, monocle, and umbrella.

Riddler looks a little too try-hard. Every Bat-Villain needs to be an edgy serial killer at some point.

I have a feeling that they're going out of their way to distance themselves from Danny DeVito's Penguin and (especially!) Jim Carey's Riddler.

[Frontier]

I have a feeling that they're going out of their way to distance themselves from Danny DeVito's Penguin and (especially!) Jim Carey's Riddler.

Maybe so. Or at least an attempt to not seem too outlandish-y comic bookie.

Although if Farrel's Penguin is getting his own series they might save incorporating more comic-accurate Penguin stuff for that. At the very least the trick umbrella's.

[Mistah K88]

I have a feeling that they're going out of their way to distance themselves from Danny DeVito's Penguin and (especially!) Jim Carey's Riddler.

That isn't exactly hard to do. Burton's Penguin was such a departure from comics' that just having him be a normal portly man is already a huge difference.

One of the things I worry about Penguin is that they'll suck the fun out of him trying to remain "realistic". His concealed weapon umbrella (gun, knife, gas) is something that I fear might not make the cut. Also I wonder if he'll still be a charming gentleman who can paly both sides of crime, the mob's old guard, and the new freaks and weirdos that pop up. I hope he gets to keep making appearances in future films. While I'm not too interested in a series about him where Batman isn't a blip on his radar, I do feel that it may be a way to bring more colorful mobsters around.

[JediBatman54]

I doubt that The Batman and its upcoming movies will be realistic as the Nolan Trilogy

[The True Detective]

I doubt that The Batman and its upcoming movies will be realistic as the Nolan Trilogy

The scene of bullets bouncing off the Batsuit alone shows the movie will be more comic booky than the Nolan films.

[bat39]

That isn't exactly hard to do. Burton's Penguin was such a departure from comics' that just having him be a normal portly man is already a huge difference.

One of the things I worry about Penguin is that they'll suck the fun out of him trying to remain "realistic". His concealed weapon umbrella (gun, knife, gas) is something that I fear might not make the cut. Also I wonder if he'll still be a charming gentleman who can paly both sides of crime, the mob's old guard, and the new freaks and weirdos that pop up. I hope he gets to keep making appearances in future films. While I'm not too interested in a series about him where Batman isn't a blip on his radar, I do feel that it may be a way to bring more colorful mobsters around.

Penguin as a character has always trod on the blurred line between 'ordinary' criminals/underworld figures and the likes of colorful villains like the Joker or Riddler. There are many depictions of him where, trick umbrella notwithstanding, there's little to distinguish him from the likes of Carmine Falcone (even the name 'Penguin' is akin to a Mob nickname, like 'Roman' for Falcone). Burton tried to turn him into a super-villain 'freak', but that's by no means his standard depiction. Still, Danny DeVito's Penguin is the version casual audiences might be most familiar with so I can understand them working extra hard to break away from that take on the character. I do hope he gets at least a basic trick umbrella - you know, something with a knife or a poison-tipped dart.

The scene of bullets bouncing off the Batsuit alone shows the movie will be more comic booky than the Nolan films.

That's within the realm of cinematic 'realism' that grounded superhero adaptations opt for. I mean, even the 'realistic' Nolanverse had what was basically a flying car and a cape that enabled Batman to 'fly'.

[Frontier]

The scene of bullets bouncing off the Batsuit alone shows the movie will be more comic booky than the Nolan films.

Yeah, that was probably the most absurd thing in the trailer .

[Iclifton]

The overall aesthetic of this film is not my bag, feels too much like Se7en; I feel like we will never get a non grimDark Batman film ever again

I like a fun lighthearted takes on Batman as well but that is not what resonates about the character with general audiences. I think what makes Batman distinct and popular in general is his dark more grounded aesthetic. So yeah, I doubt there will ever be a big budget take on Batman that does not align with those qualities.

[Frontier]

I like a fun lighthearted takes on Batman as well but that is not what resonates about the character with general audiences. I think what makes Batman distinct and popular in general is his dark more grounded aesthetic. So yeah, I doubt there will ever be a big budget take on Batman that does not align with those qualities.

Well, I think different aspects of Batman can resonate with different people.

[Iclifton]

Well, I think different aspects of Batman can resonate with different people.

Agreed. I just do not think a lighter Batman is going to sell or be general audiences preference. It would be too big a gamble for WB.

That's the cool thing about having multiple TV shows, video games, comics etc. To explore the less popular variations of the character.

[Frontier]

Agreed. I just do not think a lighter Batman is going to sell or be general audiences preference. It would be too big a gamble for WB.

That's the cool thing about having multiple TV shows, video games, comics etc. To explore the less popular variations of the character.

I think anything Batman-related is popular, it just depends on the execution. I don't think the general audience would mind it.