Wanda's “unforgivable” crime?!

[Steel Inquisitor]

You dont need a task force to confirm the deaths of the 16 million that died on Genosha. A task force wasnt needed to confirm the deaths of the X-men on the Orchis mission. One wasnt needed to confirm the deaths of the Academy X kids that blew up on the bus or the Hellions, or Changeling or Thunderbird, or Quentin Quire or the Cuckoos or the mutants killed during Rosenberg's run or the Morlocks or Synch, etc.... There are millions of mutant deaths that have already been documented. X-Factor exists to account for the mutants that have gone missing in the current era that may or may not be presumed dead.

This ins't about mutant they know are dead, all those deaths mentioned are a distraction from the real issue. The Five, until X-Factor was formed, had no official body to investigate or confirm anything, and there are millions of mutants to look after. Mutants may be immortal, but that's not the same as being invincible, if they die without anyone noticing and this will happen on a large scale since millions of mutants are on Krakoa the system Krkaoa has in place won't do anything about it unless it's right in front of them. This also presents a big issue with cloning missing people who are assumed dead but show up later on, because people vanish without explanation and show up later on or get new identities or whatever in real life. And the only means of preventing this would be that they're at the back of queue, not because the Five know anything significant about their stats among the living. This is about the future, not the past. This is a huge glaring issue with Xavier and the Quiet Council, despite Moira X convincing them of the "long game" they're incredibly myopic about how their government runs on pressing issues over their own citizens. Not every mutant is Wolverine, the X-men will care when he goes missing. Now we have, what is it, five mutants from X-Factor keeps tabs on how many millions of mutants? Those five mutants hold the lives of the obscure mutant in their hands, and not queue is going to save them if they don't do their paperwork properly. Mutants dying very few days, like Quintin, taking up slots because they can't stop themselves from dying from a paper cut just hampers this further. The old Xavier was never this sloppy, maybe this new one needs to replaced by someone like sage - she knows how to keep track of things right.

Krakoa already has a resurrection queue that will take 200 years to go through (at their current rate) without ever needing to investigate the missing mutants

If a mutant dies and is not confirmed they may as well be dead for real because the Five won't know about it. It's only going to become longer with poor management of who's dying when and where. Or perhaps that's what xavier wants, make sure certain mutants (like the Genosha leaders who have quarrels with Magneto) going to the back of the queue so they won't mess with the status quo. It's real simple to game that system so 200 years becomes forever and who's going to notice?

Thats more of an excuse. How she handled this was canon and her plan was poorly thought out.

Everything I said was canon with her characterisation. The fact my example of Cyclops being written exactly like she was was ignored shows there is no counter argument. Bad writing is bad writing, it doesn't become good when it occurs to a character who is disliked. Especially when she's disliked about something which is bad writing in itself, and even that has had sympathetic parts to it.

[Alan2099]

This also presents a big issue with cloning missing people who are assumed dead but show up later on, because people vanish without explanation and show up later on or get new identities or whatever in real life.

This is actually an interesting idea.

If somebody is unhappy and disappears, then X-folks thinks they died and clones then, what's stopping the new clone from disappearing as well? You could have multiple clones of the same person running around while people are left wondering why such-and-such keeps mysteriously vanishing.

[Havok83]

This is actually an interesting idea.

If somebody is unhappy and disappears, then X-folks thinks they died and clones then, what's stopping the new clone from disappearing as well? You could have multiple clones of the same person running around while people are left wondering why such-and-such keeps mysteriously vanishing.

No, a person will only be cloned if their death is confirmed. Missing persons will not get resurrected as they are classified as missing, not dead. This was established in the very first issue that we saw the Resurrection process.

[Steel Inquisitor]

No, a person will only be cloned if their death is confirmed. Missing persons will not get resurrected as they are classified as missing, not dead. This was established in the very first issue that we saw the Resurrection process.

That's a nice theory to have, but to work in practice the Five would need a huge administrative service to back them up to file everything, as in - like the DMV. They don't, that's why they need X-Factor, and that still is pitiful for the numbers of people they have catalogue. This is about a nation with millions of people and growing, Xavier would have trouble keeping this in order just with the regular X-men teams at the mansion - now he has millions of people and not all of them are on his speed dial. What's to stop another obscure mutant covering up another obscure mutant going missing on purpose, for instance? A nation like Krakoa requires immense task forces to do these things, and that's just administration not investigation services. And Hickman is in a worse bind since this run is supposed to be more realistic then other runs. In the real world these things happen and it's a train wreck if things aren't contained. The Five and X-factor aren't prepared for this, it's so lax as to be laughable.

[BroHomo]

That's a nice theory to have, but to work in practice the Five would need a huge administrative service to back them up to file everything, as in - like the DMV. They don't, that's why they need X-Factor, and that still is pitiful for the numbers of people they have catalogue. This is about a nation with millions of people and growing, Xavier would have trouble keeping this in order just with the regular X-men teams at the mansion - now he has millions of people and not all of them are on his speed dial. What's to stop another obscure mutant covering up another obscure mutant going missing on purpose, for instance? A nation like Krakoa requires immense task forces to do these things, and that's just administration not investigation services. And Hickman is in a worse bind since this run is supposed to be more realistic then other runs. In the real world these things happen and it's a train wreck if things aren't contained.

Dude no one wants to read about the MutantDMV(Or if they do they'd prob prefer to read a novelized version) There's lots of mundane or tedious things we don't see in comics...we never saw every NuHuman the inhumans were gathering

The Five and X-factor aren't prepared for this, it's so lax as to be laughable.

Well i'm happy its bringing you happiness

[Havok83]

Dude no one wants to read about the MutantDMV(Or if they do they'd prob prefer to read a novelized version) There's lots of mundane or tedious things we don't see in comics...we never saw every NuHuman the inhumans were gathering
Well i'm happy its bringing you happiness

Yeah besides thats what Sage' powers allow her to keep track of that stuff. You know with her computer mind thats able to process and catalog large amounts of information. There's a reason why X-Factor goes to her for a missing mutants report.

[Ferro]

the inhumans moved their city to manhattan and we never got any of this but aparently the x-men are uphold to a standart no one else in marvel is, its flattering to the franchise actually.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Dude no one wants to read about the MutantDMV(Or if they do they'd prob prefer to read a novelized version) There's lots of mundane or tedious things we don't see in comics...we never saw every NuHuman the inhumans were gathering

You don't have to, all Hickman has to do is put people in the background and occasionally have them act like they're doing paperwork. Mundane and tedious things should be happening all over the Krakao government. Hickman himself made this far more noticeable being sent since he made his run more realistic.

We've seen the NuHUmans and Attilan have complex governmental structures, we haven't for Krakoa. All they get is five people and a room, aside from the Council meetings which are the most accurate thing in how a government works in Krakoa.

Well i'm happy its bringing you happiness

It's certainly not giving me logic LOL

[Ferro]

we never see said govermental structures like you probably don't see the pages inside the books you rant about non stop, since 80 % of what you type shows a large amount of disimformation about what's on the actual issues, but you then move the goal posts and deflect.
Also why are you bringing up an absolute monarchy with eugenics that only recently moved to a democracy? if you were in any way consistent shouldnt attilan also be a tots evil racist state?

[Journey]

we never see said govermental structures like you probably don't see the pages inside the books you rant about non stop, since 80 % of what you type shows a large amount of disimformation about what's on the actual issues, but you then move the goal posts and deflect.
Also why are you bringing up an absolute monarchy with eugenics that only recently moved to a democracy? if you were in any way consistent shouldnt attilan also be a tots evil racist state?

And I oop!!

[Havok83]

we never see said govermental structures like you probably don't see the pages inside the books you rant about non stop, since 80 % of what you type shows a large amount of disimformation about what's on the actual issues, but you then move the goal posts and deflect.
Also why are you bringing up an absolute monarchy with eugenics that only recently moved to a democracy? if you were in any way consistent shouldnt attilan also be a tots evil racist state?

The Inhumans, a species that was perfectly fine with sterilizing and killing off another species that wasnt their own....I cant

[Ferro]

The Inhumans, a species that was perfectly fine with sterilizing and killing off another species that wasnt their own....I cant

who made thousands go trough a dangerous procedure that normally is a choice, ruined entire communities of non powered inhumans, moved their enourmous city over to new york and basicaly claimed every inhuman as a citizen of attilan with a choice to move to the city if they wish, much like krakoa except krakoa gave a life changing medicine to the world inhumans gave the earth a massive cloud of alien gas.

But since the narrative was on their side, every goverment was totaly okay and queen medusa became a beloved public figure even as the chaos of attilan harmed people and especially mutants, but I suposse they have invisible never seen, never explained burocratic systems so they are totaly better than krakoa.

[Steel Inquisitor]

we never see said govermental structures like you probably don't see the pages inside the books you rant about non stop, since 80 % of what you type shows a large amount of disimformation about what's on the actual issues, but you then move the goal posts and deflect.

The DMV is an example I used because it is a governmental structure, and the Five don't have that. They rely occasional on Sage but what if Sage isn't available? All their enemies have to do is take Sage out of the equation and the Five are going to have big trouble since they don't have any infrastructure to speak of.
Attilan is a horrible state and the Krkao is doing the very same mistakes, but at least they're up front with being an absolute monarch and don't let Maximus have a big impact on their society, they lock him up and make him a pariah. Krakoa would put Maximus on the Council within a week if he where a mutant.

Krakao is all about eugenics, they base their society on mutant DNA. This is why Mr. Sinister is on board, they even let him have his own personal Suicide Squad.

who made thousands go trough a dangerous procedure that normally is a choice, ruined entire communities of non powered inhumans, moved their enourmous city over to new york and basicaly claimed every inhuman as a citizen of attilan with a choice to move to the city if they wish, much like krakoa except krakoa gave a life changing medicine to the world inhumans gave the earth a massive cloud of alien gas.

Which they shouldn't have done, that didn't make krakoa "good."

X-Force just turned a human nation into plant people, and Apocalypse is on his second war in Otherwold. Krakoa's gobbling up nation states within its first year, they put literal reality bending mad king's in control of Avalon for their own interests.

Krkao isn't doing the medicine for nothing, they have enormous mega corporations doing that and they openly said they want to exploit to buy humanity out so will shape humanity's culture into what they want. They gave humanity a five year extension and the psychological chemicals benefits remain to be seen, which they don't even use to help their own troubled mutants - like Alex Summers. Nor do they use that to heal the minds of dangerous mutants into not being psychotic, like Apocalypse. Betsy had to personally talk him down from murdering a puppy for his magic ritual.

But since the narrative was on their side, every goverment was totaly okay and queen medusa became a beloved public figure even as the chaos of attilan harmed people and especially mutants, but I suposse they have invisible never seen, never explained burocratic systems so they are totaly better than krakoa.

Attilan has far superior governmental and business systems then krakoa has. Attilan has had huge problems with Earth before, due to their distrust of outsiders. They didn't just appear in XvI.

[BroHomo]

Attilan has far superior governmental and business systems then krakoa has. Attilan has had huge problems with Earth before, due to their distrust of outsiders. They didn't just appear in XvI.

You mean the one with the absolute monarchy and slavery???

[MaximoffTrash]

You mean the one with the absolute monarchy and slavery???

They have a council that has the right to imprison the crown prince for being potentially dangerous. You can criticize their caste system based on genetics but absolute monarchy is not really a thing.
As for the slavery part, yeah it's pretty disturbing when you think about the first Alpha Primitives are products of experiments on humans.
But again, there is the question about if using none-sentient organic life as labor is unethical, what about robots?(Yeah, Alpha Primitives are semi-sentient, not on the level of actual apes or something like that, but again, do people consider using "dumb AI" labor as unethical?)

I would not call old Attilan better but they are more well established simply due its long history in comics. And New Attilan is more or less just focused on protecting their own and newly awakened.