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    I think her weakness need to reflect where she is as a powerhouse. So, I think her weaknesses should be...


    • Magic piercing weapons - Mortal weapons can't harm her, a regular old sword or bullet isn't going to scratch her skin. However, she has been cut and stabbed, usually by magic or other worldly weapons. Medusa's sword, anything from Ares, weapons from Hephaestus, an Nth metal bullet from the Batman who laughs; so lets keep that. example: a magic sword is to wonder woman what a regular sword is to a human.
    • Magic poisons - Hydra venom/blood for example was so potent that it caused Herakles insane pain to the brink of death. This is where writer can get creative; villain has found a way to get some divine poison and tries to kill WW. Poisons can also act differently, different effects and ways to cure oneself. Hydra venom can kill the infected by tightening the breath or blood, where as Gryphon blood causes madness. Stuff like that.


    These are weakness that are life and death, not something that can hurt her constantly.


    Other weakness like Blunt force trama - Just like EVERYONE ELSE if you hit Diana hard enough she can be hurt. Problem is you need to hit her really, really, really, really hard. Or super advanced alien tech - Just like any other powerhouse that has been harmed by New God weapons or any highly advanced alien weaponry, Diana is effected as well. Should be par of the course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcogginsa View Post
    1. Diana already has a built in methods for dealing with bullets and for travelling that are iconic to her character. Giving her flight and bullet proof durability make those redundant and take away from Diana's uniqueness.

    And in all of the conversations I've had on this topic, tell me what her being able to fly or be immune to bullets adds to her character. Not a single thing.

    2. Listing other characters who are bullet proof is just proving that making Diana bullet proof takes away from her uniqueness

    3. Batman's not bullet proof, he wears body armor.

    4. Being vulnerable to bullets makes it easier to show case her enemies intelligence, because it makes that they have to use her weakness in a clever way instead of just being randomly capable of making weapons that can hurt Diana.
    Not really when DC has shown that it's always luck and not brains. He is wearing Bulletproof Armor so has Batman he is Bulletproof. Aquaman is Bulletproof. What do you mean character? It adds to you can't just take her down with a bullet. You need to find something else. It's easy to shot someone then coming out with other ways. Her being shot in the neck was pitful. She is durability. Once again arm was cut off and healed it by touching the ground. She has an amazing healing factor. So shouldn't that balance out? Dc has done everything to go back and forth so a lot fo it isn't smarts. Just convince.

    But you have your opinions and I have mine. I just want Diana to be written better. Because Once again Dc really goes up and down on how powerful she is or isn't .
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    Quote Originally Posted by masterwitcher88 View Post
    I think her weakness need to reflect where she is as a powerhouse. So, I think her weaknesses should be...


    • Magic piercing weapons - Mortal weapons can't harm her, a regular old sword or bullet isn't going to scratch her skin. However, she has been cut and stabbed, usually by magic or other worldly weapons. Medusa's sword, anything from Ares, weapons from Hephaestus, an Nth metal bullet from the Batman who laughs; so lets keep that. example: a magic sword is to wonder woman what a regular sword is to a human.
    • Magic poisons - Hydra venom/blood for example was so potent that it caused Herakles insane pain to the brink of death. This is where writer can get creative; villain has found a way to get some divine poison and tries to kill WW. Poisons can also act differently, different effects and ways to cure oneself. Hydra venom can kill the infected by tightening the breath or blood, where as Gryphon blood causes madness. Stuff like that.


    These are weakness that are life and death, not something that can hurt her constantly.


    Other weakness like Blunt force trama - Just like EVERYONE ELSE if you hit Diana hard enough she can be hurt. Problem is you need to hit her really, really, really, really hard. Or super advanced alien tech - Just like any other powerhouse that has been harmed by New God weapons or any highly advanced alien weaponry, Diana is effected as well. Should be par of the course.
    "Life and Death"

    So in other words, weaknesses that can barely be used at all because you can't have Diana nearly get killed in every story line.

    Quote Originally Posted by AmiMizuno View Post
    Not really when DC has shown that it's always luck and not brains. He is wearing Bulletproof Armor so has Batman he is Bulletproof. Aquaman is Bulletproof. What do you mean character? It adds to you can't just take her down with a bullet. You need to find something else. It's easy to shot someone then coming out with other ways.
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    And yet Diana doesn't often now fight villains with guns. So yea. Her being weak to bullets, okay but she shouldn't be killed by one easily. Once again her arm was cut off and she survived. She was bleeding all over. So I say the same with bullets. She can survive it but there comes a point that it's too much

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcogginsa View Post
    1. Diana's a magical hero. Being hurt by bullets while shrugging off nukes isn't remotely contradictory for that kind of character.
    2. The amazons should not be a warrior culture. It's the opposite of what they were created to be

    1. You have described nothing that self-powered flight can do that the jet can't.
    2. If they make fun of the invisible jet, they're not worth listening to. They suffer from a terminal lack of imagination.
    3. That's the problem, Self-powered flight gives the writers fewer options. If she can fly under her own power. you can never tell a story where Diana gets stuck in one place. Self-powered flight takes options away from Diana, removes stories that could be told.

    Diana being vulnerable to bullets is much easier for writers to use in stories than magic blasts or lasers. You don't need to explain why bad guys have access to bullets

    Magical durability doesn't work like scientific durability.
    1. So is Etragan and Shazam and Thor. All of whom are magic characters that are bulletproof.
    2. The amazons have always been a warrior culture, you just seem to have a very narrow view of what that means and/or you choose to ignore that being warriors is just one part of their culture.

    1. Actually I have but, why should I give more reasons when you refuse to do the same.
    2. "lack of imagination" from the person who can't imagine anything but bullets hurting WW
    3. It gives them more options, by all means just ask a writer. By your logic every single person that can fly should lose that ability.

    Again, then nobody should be bulletproof. nobody should have superspeed, its just easier after all.
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    Just as you said due to magic it doesn't break the rules. The opposite is true. The fact she can survive with cheetah for very long can be used the same with bullets. They hurt and she bullets but her endurance and durability help

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiMizuno View Post
    And yet Diana doesn't often now fight villains with guns. So yea. Her being weak to bullets, okay but she shouldn't be killed by one easily. Once again her arm was cut off and she survived. She was bleeding all over. So I say the same with bullets. She can survive it but there comes a point that it's too much
    And with this weakness, she can those kind of enemies, because there is now tension in battles with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcogginsa View Post
    And with this weakness, she can those kind of enemies, because there is now tension in battles with them.
    Well her human villains were still scared due to the money and their intelligence either way. I do think with the bullet's it shouldn't be that she gets killed quickly. Like one shot in the legs or arms, she can still move. Her healing and durability should be shown to be great. She can push past that. It's all about durability and endurance. The healing factor does take a bit out of her. So has to be careful. In the head or heart, she can be okay but it depends on when it happens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcogginsa View Post
    "Life and Death"

    So in other words, weaknesses that can barely be used at all because you can't have Diana nearly get killed in every story line.



    Bringing up bad writing is irrelevant, all ideas can be written badly
    Magic and kryptonite is also life and death for Superman. Green lantern running out of energy is life and death. Flash tripping is life and death. It just a saying that lets people put it perspective about what these weakness COULD do. But whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcogginsa View Post
    And with this weakness, she can those kind of enemies, because there is now tension in battles with them.
    But there shouldn't be.. that's the point we are making.
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    VIlliany Inc also is wonderful because the villain's plans aren't just about using guns because they know it's not always going to work. So they still made weapons to stop her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masterwitcher88 View Post
    1. So is Etragan and Shazam and Thor. All of whom are magic characters that are bulletproof.
    2. The amazons have always been a warrior culture, you just seem to have a very narrow view of what that means and/or you choose to ignore that being warriors is just one part of their culture.

    1. Actually I have but, why should I give more reasons when you refuse to do the same.
    2. "lack of imagination" from the person who can't imagine anything but bullets hurting WW
    3. It gives them more options, by all means just ask a writer. By your logic every single person that can fly should lose that ability.

    Again, then nobody should be bulletproof. nobody should have superspeed, its just easier after all.
    1. Thank you for reinforcing my point
    2. No, they were created as a culture that was firmly against war.
    3. No, you have not provided a single example of what her being able to fly adds. If your example can be acomplished with the jet, then it's not adding anything that Diana didn't already have
    4. You're the one lacking in imagination, because the weakness you described is literally just the bullet weakness with a less defined limits
    5. The difference between Diana and other characters who can fly and who are bullet proof is that SHE HAS ICONOGRAPHY THAT ALREADY COVERS THOSE THINGS.

    Diana has invisible jet. Diana has the bracelets. Those are things unique to her mythos, and it makes zero sense to replace them with generic stuff that dozens of other characters already do.

    Quote Originally Posted by masterwitcher88 View Post
    But there shouldn't be.. that's the point we are making.
    And that point is stupid. Saying there shouldn't be tension is completely backwards
    Quote Originally Posted by AmiMizuno View Post
    VIlliany Inc also is wonderful because the villain's plans aren't just about using guns because they know it's not always going to work. So they still made weapons to stop her.
    Which makes Diana look weaker than the bullet weakness does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcogginsa View Post
    1. Thank you for reinforcing my point
    2. No, they were created as a culture that was firmly against war.
    3. No, you have not provided a single example of what her being able to fly adds. If your example can be acomplished with the jet, then it's not adding anything that Diana didn't already have
    4. You're the one lacking in imagination, because the weakness you described is literally just the bullet weakness with a less defined limits
    5. The difference between Diana and other characters who can fly and who are bullet proof is that SHE HAS ICONOGRAPHY THAT ALREADY COVERS THOSE THINGS.

    Diana has invisible jet. Diana has the bracelets. Those are things unique to her mythos, and it makes zero sense to replace them with generic stuff that dozens of other characters already do.
    YO Diana used swords and shields in her golden age. The Amazons have been doing this since Marston made them. Using Sword and Swords. They have fought people who invasion their island.Hippolyta fought in battle
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiMizuno View Post
    YO Diana used a swords and shields in her golden age. The amazons have been doing this since Marston made them. Using Sword and Swords.
    MArston had them use swords for sport, not for war.

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    You wonder about magic poisons; geez if only there was some poison master villain in Diana's rouges, a DR. of POISONS if you will that would work towards finding a new way hurt Diana using deadlier magic creatures. This villain might needs team up with other Villains and work together to achieve this goal. You know like a villain inc.

    You wonder about magical piercing weapons; if only she had a list of beings that have access to the divine world or Gods that don't like Diana to work with to try and kill her. Like how vilains are intelligent and work together and create alliances to beat their mutual hero.
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