Is another reboot coming?

[Digifiend]

Which is odd, because both Tim and Bart were added to the team in season 2 (Tim as Robin because Dick became Nightwing, and Bart as Impulse, switching to Kid Flash when Wally was killed off).

Artemis was basically Arrowette with Artemis Crock's backstory (comics Artemis was a villain). Arrowette was also later added, but only as a cameo.

[witchboy]

Nightwing is popular enough I expect he will stick around in any reboot. We'd probably get Tim and/or Damien as Robin, unless there's another Frank Miller clearing the board moment and all the Bat-family get erased again.

[Lightning63]

Not quite.

Thanks to Teen Titans Go (and it's predecessor), the roster for Titans will be: Beast Boy, Cyborg, Raven, Robin and Starfire....for the foreseeable future.

Now, who's Robin can vary.

It can always be no cyborg and add donna, wally and Troy to that team

[Konja7]

And as we’ve seen from the early episodes of Young Justice, we could get mixed up versions.
In Young Justice Robin was Dick Grayson but acted more like Tim Drake and Kid Flash was Wally but acted more like Bart.

I'm not totally sure Robin in Young Justice acted like Tim.

In comics, Dick has acted pretty different in different points of his story (Dick was a lot more serious in New Teen Titans, while he was more relaxed on his solo), so I think the personality of YJ Robin could fit a version of Dick.

[Badou]

And as we’ve seen from the early episodes of Young Justice, we could get mixed up versions.
In Young Justice Robin was Dick Grayson but acted more like Tim Drake and Kid Flash was Wally but acted more like Bart.

I never really got Tim vibes from Dick in Young Justice outside of the costume and the tech stuff. He was very jokey, but also kind of cocky and overconfident, which I don't think of as Tim qualities.

[scary harpy]

You're both forgetting the 'Superfriends effect'.

And as we’ve seen from the early episodes of Young Justice, we could get mixed up versions.
In Young Justice Robin was Dick Grayson but acted more like Tim Drake and Kid Flash was Wally but acted more like Bart.

More have seen Teen Titans Go than Young Justice unfortunately.

It can always be no cyborg and add donna, wally and Troy to that team

Not really. Many know who Beast Boy, Cyborg, Raven, Robin and Starfire are...thanks to that silly cartoon.

But they don't know Donna Troy or Wally. What they've know of Kid Flash is that he's a member of Teen Titans East.

I fully expect comics to follow the lead of Teen Titans Go in too many ways.

[Doctor Bifrost]

Golden Age Wonder Woman is definitely going to be in-continuity too, if for no other reason than to tie in with the movies.

In the movies she's fighting in WW I, and I don't expect that's going to make it into the comics.

DC continuity has had so many shifts in the last 10 years, and in particular Wonder Woman's origin has gone through so many changes (even after the first movie), that I feel I have no idea what's going to happen.

After Crisis on Infinite Earths, Diana's debut as a superhero was shifted away from Clark's and Bruce's (in that case, five or so years later). This caused so many problems, with Donna Troy and other circumstances, that they kept picking at it for years, and finally, in Infinite Crisis, restored her as a founding member of the JLA. We didn't get to see many of the consequences of that worked out, because Flashpoint was only five years later. (Then the New 52, then Rebirth, and now whatever we're in today).

Moving her origin back in time may work a little better - she can still be a founding member of the JLA (as well as the JSA), and be more involved in Donna's origin - but I have no idea if it's going to stick. They may decide, again, that it's better when the "Trinity" all start up at about the same time. Or they may decide anything else. Including not having a monthly Wonder Woman comic. (That's not what I want, but I'm not in charge. I don't know a lot about who is.)

I happen to be a reader who thinks that (a) there should be only a handful of parallel worlds, clearly delineated, not easy to travel from one to the other, and (b) the JSA should get one of those worlds all to their own, with their own Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman - and, in that world, although probably not in the JSA - their own Aquaman, Green Arrow, and others.

But that's just me.

[wonder39]

Here's what i don't get. DDC pretty much " fixed" everything. It restored a proper Multiverse, including the original Earths. It put in place that reality altering events didn't rewrite the current earth, but splintered off a new Earth with it's new reality, leaving the previous one intact.

So that gives us the real versions of the pre Crisis Earths, plus a post Crisis Earth, a Flashpoint Earth, Earth 52, a Rebirth Earth.... So then what's the point of more "fixing" ? Why shove Diana back into a war and time that she hasnt been a part of since the 1940s? Why destroy the muktiverse again in Death Metal?

I still feel like the ptb at DC are like " I dunno... do this...." like every day and at every pitch meeting. Redo something, define it, tell the stories to explain it.

Want a war time WW? Tell a story on Earth Two. Want Jason or the murderous Amazons? Tell a story on Earth 52. Etc, for whatever character. But this mish mash half @55ed stuff has gotten okd and confusing.

[Doctor Kent Nelson]

*Shakes Magic 8-Ball*

"Outcome unclear."

We don't know. It's a rumor but hasn't been confirmed.

I would check out www.bleedingcool.com but I don't want to be inundated with 4,244,023 pop-up ads

[DragonPiece]

Here's what i don't get. DDC pretty much " fixed" everything. It restored a proper Multiverse, including the original Earths. It put in place that reality altering events didn't rewrite the current earth, but splintered off a new Earth with it's new reality, leaving the previous one intact.

So that gives us the real versions of the pre Crisis Earths, plus a post Crisis Earth, a Flashpoint Earth, Earth 52, a Rebirth Earth.... So then what's the point of more "fixing" ? Why shove Diana back into a war and time that she hasnt been a part of since the 1940s? Why destroy the muktiverse again in Death Metal?

I still feel like the ptb at DC are like " I dunno... do this...." like every day and at every pitch meeting. Redo something, define it, tell the stories to explain it.

Want a war time WW? Tell a story on Earth Two. Want Jason or the murderous Amazons? Tell a story on Earth 52. Etc, for whatever character. But this mish mash half @55ed stuff has gotten okd and confusing.

The problem is doomsday clock was delayed constantly and writers just weren't on the same page, and even before doomsday clock ended, Didio was dead set on doing the 5G reboot. So even if Snyder never tried to do death metal, I don't think anything was going to stop 5G from happening.

[Vordan]

Diana being around during WWII is just pure movie synergy (although I wonder if they remember that it was WWI she fought in with the first movie).

[Factor]

One of the problems is that, even though they made use of the "narrative hand wave" - making arbitrary changes to the past, mainly as a way to undo the parts of The New 52 that just weren't working, and to bring some things back from pre-Flashpoint that were valuable - it's like they couldn't really admit that that was what they were doing and just go with it. They kept trying to "explain and justify" aspects of The New 52 even as they were getting rid of it.

Wonder Woman is a key example. They gave her and the Amazons a new backstory that got rid of most of Azzarello's run (although they kept the Zeus Daddy part, which may be the part I disliked the most, although it's hard to choose between that and the "feminazi" Amazons, which are thankfully gone). But for some obscure reason they felt the need to "explain" The New 52 Wonder Woman story in an in-new-continuity way, so it became a set of false memories and holodeck-like encounters with false gods and false Amazons ("The Lies"), all imposed by the "real" gods. And, by the story's logic (I use that term lightly), Diana had been carrying around those false memories and having those fake experiences for, let us say, the first ten years of her career as a superhero.

That means that if you want to do a flashback to the earlier days of Wonder Woman, you need to remember that in those days she had no idea who she was, thought her Amazon sisters were murderous man-hating rapists, and in fact never set foot of Themyscira or talked to her actual mother in all that time. What a lot of crazy baggage to put into a character's backstory when you're doing a retcon anyway! And for what purpose? They should have just moved The New 52 to another dimension and said: "And here's Diana's history in the new continuity, which doesn't include any of that stuff in any form." (If they want to include something from The New 52 - such's as Zeus's paternity - they can do it because it's a new continuity and they can include what they like. But to hold onto something they're getting rid of as "years of false memories"? DC, why do you do this to yourself?)

Donna Troy got caught up in this as well. In The New 52, she was a magical construct, created in adult form, to be a weapon against Diana. (Then a bunch of other stuff happened.) Then Titans Rebirth came along, and in the new continuity, it's clear that she was a member of the original Teen Titans.as a teenager, which would seem to obviate her New 52 origin. Then Diana comes along and encounters the Titans, and reacts with disgust to Donna because of her New 52 origin, which Diana describes. And then Donna - once a cheerful teenager in the Teen Titans - has to cope with being a magical construct, created in adult form, to be a weapon against Diana. Yes, there are convoluted, bizarre, comic-booky ways to reconcile this stuff (I don't think they ever did), but why keep the New 52 origin in the first place when you're bringing back her career in the TT?

(Of course, this has all been retconned again with "GA Wonder Woman," but I don't know if anyone knows the details. Or can keep up.)

Wally West got the worst of it. The Wally West we're familiar with didn't exist in The New 52 (having been replaced by young Wallace). Post-Rebirth, it was clear that they wanted Wally back as part of the Titans. But somebody apparently said, "Well, he didn't exist in The New 52, so we need to come up with an explanation for why he didn't exist and now does." They then proceeded to create one of those wildly complicated, largely incomprehensible storylines involving reality-altering magic and stuck-in-the-Speed-Force time-travel shenanigans (I call it chronobabble). We get Wally back - but some people remember him (or aspects of him), and some don't, and any exploits he had either don't exist in the new continuity, or they did but everybody forgot them (and remembered something else, which was false), and... I would argue that this was not good for the character. And a lot of devoted Wally fans would argue more strongly than that.

And it was unnecessary. Here's something they could have said: In the post-Rebirth continuity, Wally West was a sidekick, of Barry Allen's, but now he's grown up and has taken a new superhero name (like Dick, Roy, Donna, and Garth did), and he's married and has two kids. He also has a younger cousin named Wallace, who is the new Kid Flash.

Or (and I like this one better): post-Rebirth, we are in a continuity where Barry Allen was the Flash, but died heroically to save the universe in some Crisis-like event. His sidekick, Wally West/Kid Flash, took over for him as the Flash, had many interesting adventures, and got married and had kids.

Now Barry Allen comes back to life, in the way that people sometimes do in comic books. (I could come up with three ways off the top of my head, and so can all of you.) And after a joyful reunion, Barry and Wally start to figure out their future as co-existing superheroes, and what to do about the naming rights.

Isn't that a little more coherent (if I say so myself) than what we got? Wouldn't that have caused less friction between the Barry fans and the Wally fans.? (You can add Wallace in too, if you want. He has fans.)

I know I've gone on, but here's my point: If you're going to do a retcon/reboot, do it. Figure out what you want the new continuity to include. Think it through carefully so that it fits together and makes narrative sense. (Rather than fumbling with it in public, as your mismatched pieces encounter each other in the comics.) As for anything else - don't worry about it. Move it to another dimension. Remember it fondly, but don't saddle the characters with it if it doesn't fit.

End of rant.

But that's just me. YMMV.

P.S. Apparently some readers think that "fumbling with it in public, as your mismatched pieces encounter each other in the comics" is actually the coolest part. I do not agree. But I think I'm suffering from Multiverse Exhaustion.

I couldn't agree more with this point. It's downright absurd the way DC can always find the most convoluted solutions to their own continuity problems.
To this day I don't get why Rucka's second run was so revered. It didn't make any sense to make the DCU's biggest heroine be living a lie since her debut. Makes her seem incompetent and ruins all her backstory. I'm okay with DC keeping Zero Year in canon, but everything else needs to go and she needs to have returned home years before the recent runs where she eventually did.
Wally West is another example of why Rebirth was such a mess. They had the opportunity to bring back a beloved character in a simple and straightforward manner and came up with the absolute worst way, culminating in one of the worst events in DC's story (HiC).

[Frontier]

I couldn't agree more with this point. It's downright absurd the way DC can always find the most convoluted solutions to their own continuity problems.
To this day I don't get why Rucka's second run was so revered. It didn't make any sense to make the DCU's biggest heroine be living a lie since her debut. Makes her seem incompetent and ruins all her backstory. I'm okay with DC keeping Zero Year in canon, but everything else needs to go and she needs to have returned home years before the recent runs where she eventually did.
Wally West is another example of why Rebirth was such a mess. They had the opportunity to bring back a beloved character in a simple and straightforward manner and came up with the absolute worst way, culminating in one of the worst events in DC's story (HiC).

As a standalone origin I think Year One works quite well and doesn't really get into the "Lies" part at all and just plainly serves as a modern origin story.

I don't think showing her with a mental breakdown that was resolved only by Ferdinand popping in out-of-nowhere with the Lasso of Truth was a good way of resolving things.

[SiegePerilous02]

The Lies/mind games were depicted as being a fairly recent event, so she wouldn't have been operating for 10 years believing lies. In Year One, she knew she couldn't return to Themyscira. She's only just noticing some screwy memories at the start of the story.

Year One and Godwatch were the stronger portions of the run because they just told good stories and weren't as concerned by continuity clean up. But I honestly don't view "Diana doesn't have access to Themyscira for 10 or so years after she leaves" as a major mess or much of a story loss, IMO. The Amazons were portrayed as they should have been and shape her origins, but she as plenty of stuff in her franchise that could use some development and 10 years without any island drama provide a good opportunity to flesh out non-Amazons/myth characters and villains in the interim. The only thing it messes with is Donna, but what else is new?

[scary harpy]

In the movies she's fighting in WW I, and I don't expect that's going to make it into the comics.

DC continuity has had so many shifts in the last 10 years, and in particular Wonder Woman's origin has gone through so many changes (even after the first movie), that I feel I have no idea what's going to happen.

...

yes, the mess DC's made of Diana's and Donna's histories is just awful.

I happen to be a reader who thinks that (a) there should be only a handful of parallel worlds, clearly delineated, not easy to travel from one to the other, and (b) the JSA should get one of those worlds all to their own, with their own Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman - and, in that world, although probably not in the JSA - their own Aquaman, Green Arrow, and others.

But that's just me.

Not just you.

I see no purpose in undeveloped ideas or underdeveloped parallel words.