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    "According to The Hollywood Reporter, Cherry's role is a newly-created position covering business affairs editorial, talent services, marketing, sales, brand and direct to consumer, along with overseeing business development. "

    To me it's just sounds like general executive job. As in, too general for me to know what's it's about ^^

    I'm more worried about this one:

    As for Lee's new responsibilities, DC said "Lee will bring his unmatched creativity, passion and innate knowledge of the DC characters and canon to the company’s efforts to evolve the brand and create relevance for new audiences around the world."

    because I have no idea about Jim Lee's knowledge on DC canon. I only know him as an artist, and he's the one who will be in charge of translating comic canon to the outside.

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    So essentially Lee will tell others adapting these characters in movies, tv, games Batman would do this wouldn't do that etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nite-Wing View Post
    between this and AT&T no longer wanting to sell their gaming division tells me
    That the video game arm of DC entertainment is making more money and the comics side is looking kinda weak
    You can't sell the comics arm off though because that's how you cultivate the IPs
    You have 80+ years of material-what is beign cut off?

    To me it's just sounds like general executive job. As in, too general for me to know what's it's about ^^
    Let me see if I can correct myself here...

    According to The Hollywood Reporter, Cherry's role is a newly-created position covering business affairs editorial, talent services, marketing, sales, brand and direct to consumer, along with overseeing business development. "
    It seems everyone under those report to him. He reports to Lifford.

    At a normal company-he might be the one who hires or helps in hiring the heads of thsoe departments. And you go from there.

    Depending on the company that person is not hands on-although him offering feedback and suggestions is NOT out of the question.


    But if sales decline to a certain point it could happen.
    That would fall on the sales department. I can fuss about the product DC puts out but if folks don't know about that is another thing.

    Remember this is no longer about the direct market.

    I'll give you an example Beast Boy's novel came out yesterday. Lets say sales are bad.

    Is someone going to point out there was zero promotion for that book and excluding Barnes & Nobles-your major stores did not carry the book.

    I had to order mine off of Target.com same issue I had with Cassandra Cain, Raven & Aqualad's books. In fact this will be an issue when Static's novel comes out.

    Why are these books NOT in Wal-Mart or Target? Lion Forge, IDW (Marvel books printed by them) and a few others are not having this issue.

    What is the issue? Would it benefit to let some books be printed under IDW or does a new deal or contract have to be made?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scary harpy View Post
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    And now, in the news..

    DC has announced that former Activision Blizzard esports executive Daniel Cherry is the publisher's new Senior Vice-President and General Manager.
    It's...it's over...DC is finished...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Restingvoice View Post
    "According to The Hollywood Reporter, Cherry's role is a newly-created position covering business affairs editorial, talent services, marketing, sales, brand and direct to consumer, along with overseeing business development. "

    To me it's just sounds like general executive job. As in, too general for me to know what's it's about ^^

    I'm more worried about this one:

    As for Lee's new responsibilities, DC said "Lee will bring his unmatched creativity, passion and innate knowledge of the DC characters and canon to the company’s efforts to evolve the brand and create relevance for new audiences around the world."

    because I have no idea about Jim Lee's knowledge on DC canon. I only know him as an artist, and he's the one who will be in charge of translating comic canon to the outside.
    I think there is more to it than general exec as he reports direct to WB not DC which would make him a very senior figure / Lifford's second in command (?)

    Agree about Jim Lee. I like Jim Lee but he was either dan didios co pilot and DCs failures should be laid at his doorstep as much as Didios or he was just a figurehead / ambassador and not the guiding hand. Is he really the DC mastermind / oracle for their books? Seems highly unlikely to me. He couldnt write for crap himself so how he gets his hand on the tiller god knows.

    As an outsider i wouldnt have Lifford anywhere near my company let alone planning the direction. Anyone in charge of ford or coca cola relying on a temporary global distributor and without a global app would be a laughing stock yet.... its fine at DC apparently. Not only that but you get to call the shots going forward.... madness
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinsir View Post
    It's...it's over...DC is finished...
    The layoffs pretty much meant the end of current day DC. The editorial division is probably never going to recover now that its leadership is mostly gone. The company is just circling the drain and probably won't even exist after another round of cuts from AT&T who apparently owe 100+ Billion dollars for some reason.
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    To me, this is an interesting exercise in how to organise a relatively large and complex organisation that works with specialised stuff. Do you want a subject matter expert in charge, with a person more versed in management and business assisting, or do you do it the other way around?

    With Harras, DiDio, and Lee as the top people at DC, they had had subject matter people at the top for an extended time, and I think that was true before that as well. But AT&T seems to have a different idea on how to do this. I think Lee is getting promoted out of the day-to-day running of DC, and instead they will have a general manager—Daniel Cherry—assisted by two subject matter experts as publishers.

    And as I understand it, at least within medicine you usually get somewhat better results with having the business or management person on top assisted by a physician compared to having a physican on top being assisted by a management person.

    So it's a big change in the management philosophy for DC, together with the ongoing layoffs. And there is no guarantee that Cherry will work out. But likewise I don't think it's written in stone that DC will crash and burn under him. Right now, I'm cautiously optimistic about DC's future direction.
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    I think they have a larger plan that we aren't seeing right now. And my guess would be that it involves phasing out the DM. If AT&T is truly calling the shots then I doubt they care all the much about the DM. Whether or not that's a good or bad thing they may not know. You've put non-comic book people in charge of comics. We have to assume their ultimate objective isn't about comics themselves. I doubt that AT&T wanted a print division when they bought WB. So they're stuck with this print division they don't know what to do with. The logical assumption is that they are planning to eventually phase it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superduperman View Post
    I think they have a larger plan that we aren't seeing right now. And my guess would be that it involves phasing out the DM. If AT&T is truly calling the shots then I doubt they care all the much about the DM. Whether or not that's a good or bad thing they may not know. You've put non-comic book people in charge of comics. We have to assume their ultimate objective isn't about comics themselves. I doubt that AT&T wanted a print division when they bought WB. So they're stuck with this print division they don't know what to do with. The logical assumption is that they are planning to eventually phase it out.
    Agreed - but that's been a wildly likely guess for a while now.

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    Probably a wise choice considering all the money that can be made off of licencing with video games, a diverse face to lead DC further into the 21st century.

    He can work on the multimedia side of things, and Jim Lee the comic side. My only question is, whether or not they will be able to bring fans of characters like Jamie Reyes and Black Lightning's popularity to comic book sales of those characters?

    For whatever reason, DC hasn't had success in building that bridge yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superduperman View Post
    I think they have a larger plan that we aren't seeing right now. And my guess would be that it involves phasing out the DM. If AT&T is truly calling the shots then I doubt they care all the much about the DM. Whether or not that's a good or bad thing they may not know. You've put non-comic book people in charge of comics. We have to assume their ultimate objective isn't about comics themselves. I doubt that AT&T wanted a print division when they bought WB. So they're stuck with this print division they don't know what to do with. The logical assumption is that they are planning to eventually phase it out.
    Def. Theres a plan that we cant see yet.

    Theres a lot of warning signs though. Mark Doyle out the door despite black label dominating trade sales charts, digital people being moved up, no writers in high management, mature comics seemingly ending.

    Whatever this plan is i think its going to hemorrhage DCs core readership. Whether they can replace them quicker than they lose them with new readers is another matter but given their track record my money is on breaking the company.

    Talk of digital and global without an app and a failed international distro move leading to them having to sign a temporary deal with their old distro says it all to me - more big ideas but zero planning or thought beyond that.

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    I'll at least give him and the two new ladies a chance at righting the ship.
    How much worse could we get, really?
    Just slap an 'Under New Management' sticker on it and people who quit reading DC will take notice.
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    Sounds to me like Daniel Cherry as General Manager will handle the business/operations side of the business, while Jim Lee as Publisher/CCO handles the creative side of the business.

    However, the business side of the LCS/publishing side of DC Comics would still probably be handled by Jim Lee, but bookstores, digital, international, and opening up other distribution channels would be handled by Cherry.

    Therefore, fans of just the comic books, the LCS, the DC Multiverse continuity, and convention appearances including DC Fandome should probably not worry. Cherry wouldn't have much to offer there, and he has larger mandates and bigger fish to fry.

    It's just like at Marvel where Dan Buckley is President of Marvel Entertainment, but we never hear anything out of him. I'm sure with Cherry's background, his footprint on our turf will be even less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iron chimp View Post
    Def. Theres a plan that we cant see yet.

    Theres a lot of warning signs though. Mark Doyle out the door despite black label dominating trade sales charts, digital people being moved up, no writers in high management, mature comics seemingly ending.

    Whatever this plan is i think its going to hemorrhage DCs core readership. Whether they can replace them quicker than they lose them with new readers is another matter but given their track record my money is on breaking the company.

    Talk of digital and global without an app and a failed international distro move leading to them having to sign a temporary deal with their old distro says it all to me - more big ideas but zero planning or thought beyond that.
    If your core readership isn't enough t keep most of your line above 50K in sales, you've already broken the company. What's happening now is a last gasp effort to transition the business model to see if they can find a large enough audience to make it sustainable, because the direct market is now too small to be a sustainable business model and DC is just the first company to admit this reality and react to it. Whether they succeed or not is uncertain, but this move won't break the company, the direct market and the business model that caters to it to the exclusion of other markets is already broken.

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    Blizzard. The fallout 76 guys who cheated fans, got sued more then once over it for lying and not sending things they promised and blamed fans for their mess ups?

    Uh-oh. Lets hope he was not part of that.

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