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    Default Dumbledore vs Endora

    Dumbledore (film version) vs Endora (classic Bewitched TV series from the 60s).

    Dumbledore gets the Elder Wand.

    Endora is Samantha's (Elizabeth Montgomery) mother, and a more experienced witch than her daughter.

    Standard arena match.

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    Just watched the whole Bewitched series again over the last couple of years. Not sure what Dumbledore can do with the Elder wand.

    Endora can transmute people into animals or inanimate objects with a thought, nod or movement of a finger.

    She can teleport herself and other people at least to the Moon and Mars.

    Witches far weaker than her have teleported aliens to Earth from several solar systems away.

    She suffers no harm from being on the Moon.

    She can time travel. The only limit is that, when she travels to a time before she was born, she does not have any powers except the power to return to her own time. But that's inconsistent because the episode with that weakness had her not having been born until after the 16th century. But other episodes established that Samantha had been born by the second century and that Endora was already born before Helen of Troy and was a young witch so far back she had witnessed the latter stages of human evolution to the point that she corrected Darwin on some stuff (though, being a show in the 1960s, they had to be very subtle about that). She could also send other people through time without going herself.

    She did things like transmuting a city block into something else and causing citywide storms.

    Sometimes, some of these called required a spell while, at other times, the same feat required a thought or hand gesture.

    Not sure how this stacks against Diumbledore.
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    Dumbledore has on-page combat feats that are probably better. He's shown reacting to "instant" spells after they are fired, and is shown being radically faster than all of the other wizards of the era.

    Buuuuuuut...

    He still needs to wave a wand or point it and most HP spells seem to require hitting the enemy with a bolt or a beam or a hex or something. Endora doesn't need to aim and can manipulate reality over a large area with a thought or a twitch. She ought to just able to think "No More Wands" or "Go to the moon" and Dumbledore is kind of screwed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_adventure View Post
    Dumbledore has on-page combat feats that are probably better. He's shown reacting to "instant" spells after they are fired, and is shown being radically faster than all of the other wizards of the era.

    Buuuuuuut...

    He still needs to wave a wand or point it and most HP spells seem to require hitting the enemy with a bolt or a beam or a hex or something. Endora doesn't need to aim and can manipulate reality over a large area with a thought or a twitch. She ought to just able to think "No More Wands" or "Go to the moon" and Dumbledore is kind of screwed.
    Five Minutes Later


    JK Rowling Tweet: Dumbledore and Grindlewald had an *intense* honeymoon on the moon, without protection, if you know what I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Drunkard Kid View Post
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    JK Rowling Tweet: Dumbledore and Grindlewald had an *intense* honeymoon on the moon, without protection, if you know what I mean.
    Looking for the "like" button.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Drunkard Kid View Post
    Five Minutes Later


    JK Rowling Tweet: Dumbledore and Grindlewald had an *intense* honeymoon on the moon, without protection, if you know what I mean.
    Including drinking plenty of finely aged firewhiskey. Which they got by pissing into cups and using magic to transform it into firewhiskey.


    ... I would say I'm joking about that, but considering she's said that wizards/witches used to just shit on the floor like a non-housebroken dog and magic it away, I wouldn't put it past her to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerboy View Post
    Just watched the whole Bewitched series again over the last couple of years. Not sure what Dumbledore can do with the Elder wand.

    Endora can transmute people into animals or inanimate objects with a thought, nod or movement of a finger.

    She can teleport herself and other people at least to the Moon and Mars.

    Witches far weaker than her have teleported aliens to Earth from several solar systems away.

    She suffers no harm from being on the Moon.

    She can time travel. The only limit is that, when she travels to a time before she was born, she does not have any powers except the power to return to her own time. But that's inconsistent because the episode with that weakness had her not having been born until after the 16th century. But other episodes established that Samantha had been born by the second century and that Endora was already born before Helen of Troy and was a young witch so far back she had witnessed the latter stages of human evolution to the point that she corrected Darwin on some stuff (though, being a show in the 1960s, they had to be very subtle about that). She could also send other people through time without going herself.

    She did things like transmuting a city block into something else and causing citywide storms.

    Sometimes, some of these called required a spell while, at other times, the same feat required a thought or hand gesture.

    Not sure how this stacks against Diumbledore.
    Those Bewitched witches are pretty potent. Makes me think of imps like Q and Mxyzptlk, just scaled way down. Like maybe one of them visited ancient earth, clipped his nails, and thereby inadvertently created Bewitched's race of witches.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Drunkard Kid View Post
    Five Minutes Later

    JK Rowling Tweet: Dumbledore and Grindlewald had an *intense* honeymoon on the moon, without protection, if you know what I mean.
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    Including drinking plenty of finely aged firewhiskey. Which they got by pissing into cups and using magic to transform it into firewhiskey.

    ... I would say I'm joking about that, but considering she's said that wizards/witches used to just shit on the floor like a non-housebroken dog and magic it away, I wouldn't put it past her to do that.
    Yes, it's a sad story when the magic is gone.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shai-Hulud View Post
    Those Bewitched witches are pretty potent. Makes me think of imps like Q and Mxyzptlk, just scaled way down. Like maybe one of them visited ancient earth, clipped his nails, and thereby inadvertently created Bewitched's race of witches.

    Yes, it's a sad story when the magic is gone.....
    There was a Star Trek/ Bewitched crossover fan fiction in which someone literally said, "Oh, we run into beings like you all the time".
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