Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes - what would've happened in season 3

[Lukmendes]

It wasn't really a case of "snapped up," they could always use X-Men characters. It wasn't like somebody was off-limits like with the movies, because Wolverine appeared 3 times and the other X-Men were alluded to (Cyclops appeared in a picture).

I didn't watch Wolverine and the X-Men, but weren't Wanda and Pietro part of the Brotherhood? 'Cause if so it'd be difficult to make them into Avengers, or was their membership on the brotherhood short lived like in 616?

Episode descriptions for what could have been with season 3:

Curious that Phoenix is here, 'cause Phoenix being involved with Avengers is a more recent thing, unless they were using Phoenix because of Avengers vs X-Men?

Seeing an episode named "House of M" made me panic a bit lol.

Either way, in theory those sound cool, but it seems they were trying to introduce too much shit, and having too many characters is a serious problem that YJ's season 3 had, so it's possible this would repeat it... But who knows, maybe it'd be better than season 2.

[Frontier]

I didn't watch Wolverine and the X-Men, but weren't Wanda and Pietro part of the Brotherhood? 'Cause if so it'd be difficult to make them into Avengers, or was their membership on the brotherhood short lived like in 616?

I think the synopsis even mentions their ties to the Brotherhood and SHIELD going after them because of it.

I don't know if they would have leaned super hard into the WaTXM continuity, but I expect they would've at least used the same VA's for Wanda, Pietro, and Magneto.

Curious that Phoenix is here, 'cause Phoenix being involved with Avengers is a more recent thing, unless they were using Phoenix because of Avengers vs X-Men?

Seeing an episode named "House of M" made me panic a bit lol.

Either way, in theory those sound cool, but it seems they were trying to introduce too much shit, and having too many characters is a serious problem that YJ's season 3 had, so it's possible this would repeat it... But who knows, maybe it'd be better than season 2.

I feel like EMH would have been able to handle it better because the core cast was more consistent and established compared to YJ which shifted focus to several different groups of characters at a time.

It's definitely ambitious.

[Lukmendes]

I think the synopsis even mentions their ties to the Brotherhood and SHIELD going after them because of it.

Hm, it just says that SHIELD isn't happy with it, but the episode synopsis do mention Wanda being helpful before the SHIELD one... Maybe she was secretly in the team? Another one does say that the X-Men showed up to get her.

I don't know if they would have leaned super hard into the WaTXM continuity, but I expect they would've at least used the same VA's for Wanda, Pietro, and Magneto.

I mean, they do mention that Wanda and Quicksilver are part of the Brotherhood at least, so there's that connection with WatXM.

I feel like EMH would have been able to handle it better because the core cast was more consistent and established compared to YJ which shifted focus to several different groups of characters at a time.

It's definitely ambitious.

True, even at its worst, EMH never reached YJ levels of using too many characters, not even season 2 which introduced more characters, but it's possible it could end up happening 'cause it seems this season 3 was gonna introduce even more...

Also, I wonder how much of this is what was actually planned, or what Yost wanted, 'cause, Phoenix Force, something that's a huge deal to X-Men, debutting in the Avengers cartoon? I know that we had big F4 elements in EMH, but F4 don't have their own cartoon, but the X-Men did... Also the description of the last two episodes sound like they'd be making a version of Avengers vs X-Men, with the Phoenix being shattered and all, also Pietro would apparently remain a villain, since him and Magneto would be leading mutants who got the shattered Phoenix Force... Honestly, it's too weird this "season 3" would have X-Men being so major, and kinda stealing from them in the ending, I'm having doubts about this, 'cause again, what if this is just what Yost wanted?

[GenericUsername]

I didn't watch Wolverine and the X-Men, but weren't Wanda and Pietro part of the Brotherhood? 'Cause if so it'd be difficult to make them into Avengers, or was their membership on the brotherhood short lived like in 616?



Curious that Phoenix is here, 'cause Phoenix being involved with Avengers is a more recent thing, unless they were using Phoenix because of Avengers vs X-Men?

Seeing an episode named "House of M" made me panic a bit lol.

Either way, in theory those sound cool, but it seems they were trying to introduce too much shit, and having too many characters is a serious problem that YJ's season 3 had, so it's possible this would repeat it... But who knows, maybe it'd be better than season 2.

In WatXM Wanda was depicted as becoming skeptical about her father and going against him. It wasn't really a Brotherhood like you see in comics, but more akin to a monarchy of sorts. They call it the Brotherhood, but it never showed them out fighting any heroes. Just inner turmoil.

[Frontier]

True, even at its worst, EMH never reached YJ levels of using too many characters, not even season 2 which introduced more characters, but it's possible it could end up happening 'cause it seems this season 3 was gonna introduce even more...

I think it probably would have depended on the writing at the end of the day.

Also, I wonder how much of this is what was actually planned, or what Yost wanted, 'cause, Phoenix Force, something that's a huge deal to X-Men, debutting in the Avengers cartoon? I know that we had big F4 elements in EMH, but F4 don't have their own cartoon, but the X-Men did... Also the description of the last two episodes sound like they'd be making a version of Avengers vs X-Men, with the Phoenix being shattered and all, also Pietro would apparently remain a villain, since him and Magneto would be leading mutants who got the shattered Phoenix Force... Honestly, it's too weird this "season 3" would have X-Men being so major, and kinda stealing from them in the ending, I'm having doubts about this, 'cause again, what if this is just what Yost wanted?

The X-Men didn't have their own cartoon on at the time, so I don't think that would've been a factor. I think it would be like adapting the Surtur storyline from Thor's comics into an Avengers story like they did on the show (even if they never completed it).

The first half of the season was to focus on magic while the second half would focus on Mutants, but the core focus would have likely remained with The Avengers I imagine. It sounds like they were planning to adapt Avengers vs X-Men and House of M together.

In WatXM Wanda was depicted as becoming skeptical about her father and going against him. It wasn't really a Brotherhood like you see in comics, but more akin to a monarchy of sorts. They call it the Brotherhood, but it never showed them out fighting any heroes. Just inner turmoil.

Yeah, Pietro was the one leading the more traditional Brotherhood outside Genosha and she kicked him and Magneto out by the end of the first season.

[Lukmendes]

In WatXM Wanda was depicted as becoming skeptical about her father and going against him. It wasn't really a Brotherhood like you see in comics, but more akin to a monarchy of sorts. They call it the Brotherhood, but it never showed them out fighting any heroes. Just inner turmoil.

What, so they didn't even fight against the X-Men much? Odd if so lol.

Really should watch that someday, really don't know why I didn't since back then I was aware it was in the same universe as EMH, maybe season 2 soured me too much lol.

I think it probably would have depended on the writing at the end of the day.

True, the difference between a fun story and a boring one is in the execution, even if the idea is dumb.

The X-Men didn't have their own cartoon on at the time, so I don't think that would've been a factor.

Right, just checked the dates here, I thought that EMH came first, then WatXM, which I guess I thought was why WatXM has only one season and that everything was cancelled around the same time, surprisingly it came before, and was cancelled earlier, wonder why...

I think it would be like adapting the Surtur storyline from Thor's comics into an Avengers story like they did on the show (even if they never completed it).

Yeah, but I was thinking that it was weird to be using X-Men shit in season 3, when, y'know, would make more sense to use X-Men shit in their own cartoon, wasn't aware it was already cancelled by the time even season 2 was out.

Sultur stuff being in EMH is fair game since Thor didn't have his own cartoon, same for F4 stuff being there.

Really hilarious this cartoon did this "Avengers are connected to everything else from Marvel" before MCU lol.

The first half of the season was to focus on magic while the second half would focus on Mutants, but the core focus would have likely remained with The Avengers I imagine. It sounds like they were planning to adapt Avengers vs X-Men and House of M together.

It honestly sounds like it's only Avengers vs X-Men in that, with Jean having Hope's role in causing the conflict, and hopefully written without making both sides look like condescending douchebags... the "House of M" episode seems to only get the very basic of Magneto being the leader of something powerful, in this case what's probably Phoenix 5 (Hopefully with it still spelling PENIS with the initials of each character ), and the characters having to team up with to deal with them, I doubt Wanda would do any reality warping bullshit, she'd probably just be Phoenix 5's Kryptonite too, hopefully they'd explain why here, 'cause I'm pretty sure AvX didn't bother lol.

Yeah, Pietro was the one leading the more traditional Brotherhood outside Genosha and she kicked him and Magneto out by the end of the first season.

Hah, that sounds hilarious, was she in control of Brotherhood or Genosha though? 'Cause unless EMH decided to ignore the ending of WatXM, Magneto would be in control of the Brotherhood there.

[GenericUsername]

What, so they didn't even fight against the X-Men much? Odd if so lol.

Wanda's arc is all about discovering everything isn't what it seems, and Nightcrawler helps her figure it out. Polaris' is a coming of age arc where she also figures out everything isn't as it seems. And part of that is getting into a romance with Gambit, figuring out what he's all about. Then the truth about her father comes crashing down on her, and she just has enough. Her powers become so much stronger. Most of their story is all family drama.

Hah, that sounds hilarious, was she in control of Brotherhood or Genosha though? 'Cause unless EMH decided to ignore the ending of WatXM, Magneto would be in control of the Brotherhood there.

No, Wanda had no interest in continuing his legacy.

[Triniking1234]

I like Wanda's arc but I felt like they infantized Polaris too much. Magneto and Pietro were worse than their Evolution adaptations lmao.

[Digifiend]

Huh. Suddenly I think I get why she didn't say the actual line in the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon or didn't say it at all in Marvel's Spider-Man (even though they set up the perfect moment for her to say it).

Yeah, the phrase "hit the jackpot" is a reference to gambling, and you can't mention gambling on kids TV.

[Gaastra]

They said it in the 90s spider-man cartoon without any trouble.

[Triniking1234]

That was before the Karen Nation attacked.

[Digifiend]

They said it in the 90s spider-man cartoon without any trouble.

And Pokemon video games had Game Corners (i.e. casinos) back then. They don't now, not even in remakes (Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire). Times have changed.

[Mistah K88]

They said it in the 90s spider-man cartoon without any trouble.

It’s funny as THAT cartoon was concerned about peter scaring pigeons when landing on rooftops. (Like WHY that specifically? When would something like that even come up?). I know that in Spectacular, network executives thought that line made Mary Jane sound conceited (which with characters like Sally Avril in the show was quite an odd concern).

I’m curious to know how the 2nd half of season 2 for this show would have gone had Loeb not enforced his will.

[GenericUsername]

I like Wanda's arc but I felt like they infantized Polaris too much. Magneto and Pietro were worse than their Evolution adaptations lmao.

Agreed there.

[Frontier]

What, so they didn't even fight against the X-Men much? Odd if so lol.

Really should watch that someday, really don't know why I didn't since back then I was aware it was in the same universe as EMH, maybe season 2 soured me too much lol.

Wanda never fought the X-Men but the actual Brotherhood fought them maybe...2-3 times in season 1? I know one time they fought over Nitro, and Rogue was undercover with them, and there was one episode where they teamed-up to take down a proto-Sentinel factory.

Yeah, but I was thinking that it was weird to be using X-Men shit in season 3, when, y'know, would make more sense to use X-Men shit in their own cartoon, wasn't aware it was already cancelled by the time even season 2 was out.

Sultur stuff being in EMH is fair game since Thor didn't have his own cartoon, same for F4 stuff being there.

Really hilarious this cartoon did this "Avengers are connected to everything else from Marvel" before MCU lol.

EMH definitely had a fairly well-fleshed out and diverse Marvel Universe (much moreso than the show that followed it).

It honestly sounds like it's only Avengers vs X-Men in that, with Jean having Hope's role in causing the conflict, and hopefully written without making both sides look like condescending douchebags... the "House of M" episode seems to only get the very basic of Magneto being the leader of something powerful, in this case what's probably Phoenix 5 (Hopefully with it still spelling PENIS with the initials of each character ), and the characters having to team up with to deal with them, I doubt Wanda would do any reality warping bullshit, she'd probably just be Phoenix 5's Kryptonite too, hopefully they'd explain why here, 'cause I'm pretty sure AvX didn't bother lol.

It seems like something happens with the Phoenix and Magneto gets a hold of it to cause House of M. Wanda's mentioned and they had an earlier episode planned dealing with Cthon, so I don't think she would be uninvolved.

I like Wanda's arc but I felt like they infantized Polaris too much. Magneto and Pietro were worse than their Evolution adaptations lmao.

Tom Kane was a pretty awesome Magneto though.