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    Default What if Moira is actualy a precognitive? (Warning: Wall of Text)

    While thinking back to House of X and Powers of Ten recently, i started to wonder why there are two designations for the events that were shown in these two books?

    First there is the "X"+"Number" label which refers to a moment in time, plus the years away from the previous one moment times ten (fitting the title of Powers of Ten).
    x0 being the start point. Then it goes 10 years ahead to the present day. 100 years ahead into a near future. Finaly 1000 years ahead into a distant future.

    Then there are the 9 previous lives of Moira MacTaggert, who claims that she is a mutant who reboots the universe everytime she dies, back to the point in time of her birth. With the current universe being her 10th life. Over the course of exploring these 9 lives, we eventualy learn that x0 and x1 are events in her 10th life, while x2 and x3 are in her 6th and 9th life respectively.

    So why has Hickman chosen to create these two designation for these timelines? Why create them in a way that they contradict their order?
    While the obvious answer would be to distract the reader and make the identity of the 6th and 9th life more shocking, there could actualy be a deeper meaning.

    Something noteworthy about the two designations is that x2 aka. the 9th life and x3 aka. the 6th life respectively are told to the reader differently than life 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7 and 8.
    Because these are shown as memories exclusively from Moira's narrative perspective. Meanwhile x2 and x3 show events from the perspective of multiple characters (Rasputin, Cardinal, Cylobel, Karima Shapandar, Wolverine, Nimrod the Lesser, the Librarian and Nimrod the Greater) which Moira could have never known of. Yet they are bundled as memories of her 6th and 9th life.

    There are also two major oddities noticable in x2 and x3, which make it weird that x3 is supposed to have happend chronologicaly (in terms of Moira's experience) before x2.

    Most notably the Blackbrain Cylobel. She appears as a husk in a tube in x3 which is supposed to be life 6. But the events which show her getting into this state are shown in x2, which is supposed to be life 9. However for the events which led to her state in the 6th life to have taken place, the events of the 9th life need to have happend in the exact way they did, but they only happend because of the 6th life. That's a potential paradox.

    The other oddity is that the Librian in x3 is trying to extract Cylobel's "soul" from her body using a device which is clearly the Cerebro that Charle's is using in present day of the 10th life (x1). However as shown in flashbacks of Life 10 (x0), this particular Cerebro helmet is the direct result of Moira X breaking Xavier's will for a mutant/human co-existence future, leading to him creating this version of Cerebro for this incarnation of Krakoa.
    So a helmet that can only appear in Life 10, shows up in Life 6, being used on a person that existed in Life 9 and could have only ended up there as the result of the 6th life which isn't over at that point. Again potential paradox.

    To make things even weirder. Cylobel being put in the tube, examined by the Librian and the Cerebro the Librian is using, are all elements which Moira likely never saw in her 6th life. These three things are details only the reader can be aware of.
    So there isn't even a chance that the helmet in Life 6 inspired Xavier in Life 10 via Moira's memories.

    So why does the writer give us those contradicting visual informations? A distraction? A red hering? Or maybe a hint towards something being wrong between the x0-3 timeline and the 10 Lifes of Moira timeline?

    For a while i had some doubts about Moira X and her powers being what she claims them to be. After all it's quite a tall tale to claim she is rebooting the entire marvel universe, when she has zero proof of it and her very claim quite conviniently says there can't be proof.

    But what if Moira X is actualy a precog herself.

    I would like to point towards an episode of Steven Universe named Winter Forcast.
    In which the titular character is suddently starting to experience the same day again, as if he constantly travels back in time. A classic groundhog day scenario. At the end he learns that what he experienced were actualy future visions, which the precognitive character Garnet allowed him to see by sharing her powers with him.
    It's a showcase for how Garnet sees present and future at the same time and that she can even see how her own actions affect each new incarnation of the future she sees, before deciding on a particular path.

    Now what if Moira's "Lifes" are actualy not her rebooting the universe, but actualy a unique form of precognition she experienced at birth. With 9 stacking timelines being the limit of her power. Hence the prophetic words of Destiny to her that the 10th life will be her last.
    It would actualy put the words of the Librarian about her destroying his chance at joining the Phallanx and becomming part of a Dominion into a different light. Since he might be right but for the wrong reason. Because at that point he only exist as a potential future for Moira, not in an actualy allready manifested future.

    But where does that leave x2 and x3 as clearly real events, since we as readers experienced events in them that Moira could not have seen?

    Its possible that x0-3 are actualy the current timeline for her 10th real life?
    That everything she did at x0, via her precognitive memories, is setting the events into motion which will result in x1, 2 and 3 happening.
    It's also possible that because of all of Apocalypse tech she had on in x2, she didn't die from being stabbed by Wolverie and merely that in the life 9 precognition it kicks her back to the start (ala the kick to wake up again in Inception). So she still keeps on living into the timeline of x3 where she will die for real.

    Of course this isn't how the comic will end. If i'm on to something here, it is just a future timeline to be avoided by actions or appearances of the right characters, which will cause enough changes to the timeline breaking the path towards x2 and 3.
    Which are likely the roles Cardinal and Rasputin will end up playing.

    This is all just theory of course and theorie are there to be replaced by facts or better theories.
    Last edited by Grunty; 09-09-2020 at 07:57 PM.

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