Ichigo: What even *are* you?!
Kenpachi: Some say my mother was a train. Some say that I'm a rejected Godzilla monster too strong for the series canon. But everyone says: I'M THE KEEEEENPACHIIIIII!!!!
Can I post non-comic book examples of this?
Last edited by Masonicon; 09-20-2020 at 09:28 PM.
whatever Scientists tells us what they believes are the only things that exists in Reality(our world), they treats what US government and mainstream news media said about things like 9/11, CO2 Emissions, and so on as their gospel
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calling Real Life Martial Artists that can break walls "Comic Book Peak Human" is like calling Pre-new52!Cassandra Cain "Shounen Manga character"
Marriage conceptually ages the character too much I think.
Especially with the gravitational pull of the cinematic universe having an impact on the comic universe to some extent. The most famous version of Spider-Man currently, is a school kid again. Modern comics Peter can't do that, without some kind of a crazy retcon, but they seem somewhat determined to keep him ambiguously "young" and accessible.
So I wouldn't hold my breath.
Yeah, I'm aware of those aspects. And I always thought they were kind of weird. Mainly because when I got into Spider-man comics Peter was already nebulously adult, and in the 90s animated show he always looked like an adult rather than a teenager. So that was always the image I had of Spider-man before realising that he started out more as a solo teen hero. So Spider-man as a grown up was always more my jam than teenage Spider-man. But I realize that's a minority view of the character and that they'll likely never have him marry in the mainline comics again.
Which is ok. I have PS4 Spider-man who might be my favourite incarnation of the character. And I'm happy that MJ has in recent years been re-promoted to the main love interest in most non-comic media after being pushed aside following OMD.
I think it's unavoidable though for some characters. For instance, one of the things that killed the Chris Reeve Superman franchise for me was the Amnesia Kiss. Now, at the time, this was not because of it's moral implications which I didn't really see at the time but because it was essentially hitting the reset button. Nothing was going to progress.
The problem is it can only progress so far.
With DC, the scheme seems to be that a character can get married, even have children. No big deal because there will be a reboot every twenty-five years or even more often now.
I don't really follow current comics but I understand Marvel finally did a reboot? Or did that not last? With Marvel traditionally, the problem is you don't have reboots (and I prefer it that way) but you can only progress so far. Peter Parker gets married. Okay. Peter Parker had children. Okay. Children get older and Peter Parker is some vaguely defined number of years older but it doesn't seem to make any difference in his abilities. Okay. Maty Jane doesn't look any different. Okay. Kid is now a teenager, almost an adult, and calling herself Spider-Girl and Pete is too old to be Spider-Man anymore. Woe. Full stop. Alternate reality.
So the problem is you can only go so far and then there's no place to progress.
The Fantastic Four are a good example. Room for change. Reed and Sue quickly go from fiancees to marriage. Then a child. Child is a child. Child is a teenager albeit it took fifty years. Sooner or later, the changes have to stop or the FF has to retire.
True also that, in a shared universe, this causes discrepancies. I personally prefer to just suspend disbelief. The FF started in 1961. It's the same FF. Time just doesn't move the same in the comics as in reality nor does aging. These are the same characters I admired when I was a little boy, not soft reboot versions.
Or, the original canon characters stopped being written a long time ago and more resent stuff is an alternate reality I could care less about.
Edit: This whole issue is why I tend to prefer television show versions or movie versions where there is a finite continuity, usually seven years at the most for television. Or the older comics collections where the only real issue is at exactly what point is this really not the original character anymore, not so much because of the passage of time but because the character's personality has changed too much such as Tony Stark.
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Power with Girl is better.
DC tries to reboot to be dramatic in destroying and rebuilding everything.
The Marvel approach for a while was “ if a story does good enough but diversion from source? Make it in a AU.” And therefore a Marvel has the bigger multiverse.
The Second Secret Wars did way more damage and it was still being rebuilt as Reed/Franklin rebooting all that stuff or something?
Point is this is why manga is supreme to comics. In my opinion of this aspect.
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"Kids don't care **** about superhero comic books. And if they do, they probably start with manga, with One Punch-Man or My Hero Academia. " -ImOctavius.
Personally, I'm not really all that fond of what we found out about Wolverine's past.
I think that I'd have preferred if he was still an amnesiac whose claws had been implanted and might have been Sabretooth's son, rather than them bringing in stuff like bone claws, everything about being James Howlett, having repeatedly defeated the Angel of Death in order to heal from fatal wounds, and of course, Romulus. Just.... Romulus, as a concept, and everything associated with him.
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I didn't mind the return, but I hated that Walker was reduced to a punching bag later. At first he was this guy who Cap had to give it all to barely win and could give Spider Man problem simply via stats. Then he became a whiny jobber
I liked everything introduced except the last two. Those were bad
And Romulus, geez that was a steaming pile of garbage
I hated that the Amazons were retconned back to what they originally were after they were first retconned to be more like what real life Amazon's were like just because a minority didn't like the fact that the Amazons were no longer portrayed as boringly "pure" xenophobes(for those who don't remember; the Amazon's were retconned into going around seducing/raping men at sea to get pregnant before killing them, then sending any sons they had away to be forgotten, which I found to be a fascinating take on the DC Amazon's that could have led to a great redemption arc for the Amazon's, but god forbid we have the Amazon's be that bad, so DC changed it).