Poll: Do you want Jon to survive the post-Bendis era?

[9th.]

I think Jon's going to be around for a while, it's been what like 5 years already? Plus he's going to appear in the CW show and YJ so the general public is going to get used to the idea. I feel like he'll become a staple in due time.

[Vakanai]

I think Jon's going to be around for a while, it's been what like 5 years already? Plus he's going to appear in the CW show and YJ so the general public is going to get used to the idea. I feel like he'll become a staple in due time.

That is such a disheartening and sad outcome.

[PCN24454]

That is such a disheartening and sad outcome.

I really wish you were joking...

[Vakanai]

I really wish you were joking...

Nope, I don't view him as a positive in any way. It just cements things I don't like. I'm not a fan of Superdad.

[manwhohaseverything]

The lack of a sidekick has been a perk, not a detriment in my view. It just isn't for every character. I appreciated how Kara, and later Conner, were part of the quote unquote family, but largely operated independently. Superman avoided sidekick overload, imo. For seven decades up until Rebirth, of course.

That's not true. Superman had someone to talk to from his early days. Its just jimmy and clark have nothing to talk about anymore nor do they compliment each other.A strange visitor from another world being shown our world by a kid from our world was damn cool concept. The concept that spawned the iron giant which had direct silverage/goldenage inspiration . Smashes the klan without the kids, the girl and jimmy would be completely unattractive for kids. There was a reason captain marvel outsold superman. Superman can never be one of them. Supes was rather popular for his radical, eye catching and bonkers acts that attracted people even older ones(Especially, during war times) towards him.Captain marvel was about being good. Superman was about doing the right thing.

I don't think either kara nor conner can access that demographics,successfully . Kara was designed to get female demographics. Conner was created because clark was a naive farmboy from kansas in postcrisis and he needed to access teens. Even then, conner doesn't seem that different from clark anymore. Conner 90's setup is a bit dated as well. So, they decided to ape goldenage superman with him for series like young justice and teen titans combine that with his clone background . Kara on the other hand does her job splendidly. Now, how successful conner is as the new goldenage superman. I don't know.

[Vordan]

That is such a disheartening and sad outcome.

Sacred just reminded me in another thread that we’ve still got the DC Universe Originals in the pipeline, and Bleeding Cool had said that Fraction and Zdarsky were making new versions of Batman and Superman for those. With any luck you’ll get a younger unmarried Superman in those, that way everyone can get a take they like.

[Vakanai]

Sacred just reminded me in another thread that we’ve still got the DC Universe Originals in the pipeline, and Bleeding Cool had said that Fraction and Zdarsky were making new versions of Batman and Superman for those. With any luck you’ll get a younger unmarried Superman in those, that way everyone can get a take they like.

Are the DC Universe Originals the DTV movies or new comic series or...?

I'd still prefer that Jon be in the more obscure out of continuity books and not so prominent in the main books and upcoming outside media.

[OBrianTallent]

Yes but definitely deaged to his preteen self.

[Vordan]

Are the DC Universe Originals the DTV movies or new comic series or...?

I'd still prefer that Jon be in the more obscure out of continuity books and not so prominent in the main books and upcoming outside media.

Exclusive digital comic series for DC Universe. Unlike the Man of Tomorrow series however, these seemed to have been planned to basically kick off their own shared ongoing universe akin to “DC Ultimate”. That’s the rumor apparently, no idea if it’s true or how much it’s changed given recent events.

[Vakanai]

Exclusive digital comic series for DC Universe. Unlike the Man of Tomorrow series however, these seemed to have been planned to basically kick off their own shared ongoing universe akin to “DC Ultimate”. That’s the rumor apparently, no idea if it’s true or how much it’s changed given recent events.

Interesting. Got a link? When was this announced?

[Laufeyson]

It seems that the consensus of this thread is Jon should survive, but he must be deaged. Now, I'm curious. What makes a teen Jon and child Jon so different if he only has Supersons and Rebirth as his measure stick?

Sure Supersons is a more fun run than Legion by a mile, but is that the only reason? Because the way I see it is whether Jon is teenage or not doesn't change anything because it's the same character, only their pov is different because of their age. But, that's me, so I kind interest at what the other think about this.

[manwhohaseverything]

It seems that the consensus of this thread is Jon should survive, but he must be deaged. Now, I'm curious. What makes a teen Jon and child Jon so different if he only has Supersons and Rebirth as his measure stick?

Sure Supersons is a more fun run than Legion by a mile, but is that the only reason? Because the way I see it is whether Jon is teenage or not doesn't change anything because it's the same character, only their pov is different because of their age. But, that's me, so I kind interest at what the other think about this.

Jon as kid had a personality.He was emotional, goofier, energetic, sunnier, jerkish... Etc. Jon as teen is just clark kent.Jon as a kid was actually funny and adventurous. Even, the dceased kid had his fun moments.

[Ascended]

I'd still prefer that Jon be in the more obscure out of continuity books and not so prominent in the main books and upcoming outside media.

I'd guess it'll be the reverse. Clark will be older, married, and have Jon in the main books while the out-of-continuity stuff (like Smashes the Klan) gives us the more classic, single Superman.

I'd be fine with that. As much as I don't want Clark to be a father, with DC putting more emphasis on digital and OGN's, that means (in theory) there'll be more opportunity for classic versions of characters while the main continuity can continue to advance the overall narrative.

DC has a really bad habit of trying to have their cake and eat it too, but in this case I think it is actually achievable; if they focus less on a single main continuity and put a healthy amount of stand-alone material out there in conjunction with the main line, then we can get the classic versions of characters as well as the growth, evolution, and development you can only find in a serialized, ongoing narrative.

[Blue22]

It seems that the consensus of this thread is Jon should survive, but he must be deaged. Now, I'm curious. What makes a teen Jon and child Jon so different if he only has Supersons and Rebirth as his measure stick?

Sure Supersons is a more fun run than Legion by a mile, but is that the only reason? Because the way I see it is whether Jon is teenage or not doesn't change anything because it's the same character, only their pov is different because of their age. But, that's me, so I kind interest at what the other think about this.

Aside from being more fun, part of the appeal of a character like Jon was the very unique position he was in. Superheros have kids all the time but they tend to either become stagnant supporting characters to their parents or they just...don't last. If you're a kid in comics and your parents aren't Reed Richards and Sue Storm, there's a good chance that you aren't going to amount to much as character.

Characters like Jon and Damian are very rare exceptions to that rule. Jon especially, since he's a normal kid and not a mini adult like Damian is, more often than not. Jon offered up a unique and interesting perspective that we hadn't seen from DC since Dick Grayson and his generation: The world of a hero through the eyes of a child, and the opportunity to watch how that perspective grows and changes as he does. For a lot of Jon fans, we did wanna see him grow up to the point he's at...eventually. But we wanted to see that growth; to see him go through all the ups and downs of growing up and all the challenges that creates for him as both a kid and a superhero. To see the kind of person it would make him. Instead, we got seven years of growth and development off screen, just for him to come out of it all as a modern version of the Legion's Clark Kent because it fits Bendis' "the Legion but modern" (well that and, Didio's ill advised 5G idea apparently involved rushing all of the older heroes out of the picture to be replaced).

Long story short: kid Jon was a fun and interesting take on a fun and interesting idea that's rarely ever used. While this current Jon is just another dime a dozen teen hero, only without anything remotely unique or interesting to help him stand out among the INCREDIBLY large crowd (unless you count the Legion treating him like some kind of messiah as something unique and interesting). Besides, we already have a teen Superboy. And he's a great character. We don't need another one.

The only good things that this current Jon has brought to the table are raised awareness for the Legion and an admittedly awesome costume...too bad that's being thrown out the window to give him a design that makes him look even more like "I'm Clark but modern"

[Laufeyson]

Jon as kid had a personality.He was emotional, goofier, energetic, sunnier, jerkish... Etc. Jon as teen is just clark kent.Jon as a kid was actually funny and adventurous. Even, the dceased kid had his fun moments.

DCeased? are you sure you are not wearing rose-tinted glasses there, because as far as I remember there is nothing funny or adventurous about Dceased.