Ok I'll grant you that I over-exaggerated. Outback X-Men were even though. The all-female X-Men team was actually the one I was thinking about. And it allows me to make another point. When it's all females, it's a female X-Men team. When it's an all male superhero group, it's just a team. That is the mentality I want us to stray away from. So when there's a team with only one male, it shouldn't need being "fixed" or "better proportioned".
I still stand by my point though that it's fallacy to say that male-dominated teams face any kind of backlash. Take Avengers in the MCU as the gold standard of visibility. Avengers(2012) had five males and 1 female. Obviously people noticed, but was there any significant call to fix that? Avenegers: AoU (2015) - 9 male Avengers, 2 female.
They have of course improved over the years. But mostly by their own choice.
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Personally...I don't care one bit about the ratio of men to women...I never have, I never will. I love the characters presented and I hope Vita writes them very well and Rod illustrates them beauty-fully... that's all that matters.
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And to add, besides New Mutants and Excalibur (GOOD for them, really), that's not exactly a strong showing. A lot of those teams were short-lived or barely even teams. Temporary team during X-Tinction Agenda? Iceman's team during Gold? One modern X-Force team out of how many? 6 line-ups?
CC did his part, I agree, since he did Excalibur, New Mutants, X-Treme and created many of the great female X-Men.
Im counting Madelyne Pryor with the X-men during Outback bc she really was a support member. People refer to the all female team as such bc thats what it was. That was the book's gimmick and a mandate for it even when the writers changed on it. There havent been too many all male X-men teams. Yes there's been lopsides but usually there's at least one female there so the term all male team doesnt usually manifest
Okay? The point I was making is that it wasnt the 2-3 that you suggested in the entirety of X-history
Yeah I conceded that point and restated mine.
Madelyne doesn't count in the team line-up. We're talking superheroes in a super-hero book. If you're counting how many F4 members are in F4 you don't include their robot receptionist. (Sorry I don't read F4 lol). And if you want to do it that way, then include Gateway.
I said there have been all-male superhero teams and they just got to exist. The all-female team is marketed that way because of our old way of thinking and my exact point is that we haven't moved past this need because of people questioning female-heavy teams!
I know Vita from Their work on Valiant's Livewire & The Wilds (Black Mask did that one).
If I had to recommend one over the other-try Livewire.
While it's the classic heroine does something to save folks and deals with the consequences-it never got depressing. There is no woe is me for what I did that Aquaman spent the 90s doing and John Stewart seem to deal with.
I would say they do a better job with females centric stuff-I wouldn't worry too much about New Mutants. It will be fine.
I think what happens for a lot of writers is when you deal with characters who have too many hands on them-you can see mediocre to weak writing, Or even fanboy behavior (hi Johns on Green Lantern and probably Bendis on Superman).
Yet when there are fewer hands you can get better writing.
honestly the only one that seems to have much of a problem here with it is you. While I would love another male, Im still pumped for this book and will read it regardless bc I like the cast and creative team. This really isnt a hill I care to die on as Im really not that passionate about this topic. It was a simple observation on my part. Sorry it disappointed you
Meh, Warpath is back so I am cool if he is the only male member for now.
You know who would actually be an interesting addition to the team due to their shared history? Kid Cable, who would bring that familiarity and at the same time a completely different way to interact with the rest of the cast.
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