I thought the part about Johns "threatening" him would've been the most damning thing, since Fisher has already talked about that before anyway, but even the article makes it sound like it's open to interpretation. Personally, I doubt that Johns was showing any legitimate concern about "not wanting Ray to make a bad name for himself in the business", but the fact that the comment doesn't instantly sound like an actual threat makes it seem far less damning than I expected it to be.
That's the most explicitly racial thing. Ray's principal complaints are that Johns
1. Told Ray to play the character like Quasimodo
2. Said in conversation with others that an "angry black man" can't be at the center of the movie
3. Told Ray that his agent contacting the studio head was improper and that he should be careful, which Ray perceived as a threat
My own personal opinion. I do think it’s clear joss whedon does deserve a lot of blame and a lot worse should have happened to his career based on thins beyond just justice league. Also, Geoff johns clearly got a bit too comfortable with his exec powers, I don’t think any of that is him being racist though. It’s for the best he’s only working as a writer now. Still don’t think Hamada actually did anything wrong
I mean, if a guy that you don't get along with says that you should be careful about your complaining then how else are you supposed to take it? It doesn't mean that Geoff wanted to threaten him, but from Ray's perspective it looks like a normal assumption.
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It would appear Johns defence of “continuity” has triggered Fisher’s trap card
I'm against race bending in general, but yeah, you can't claim "continuity" for one character, while changing others.
Whedon continues to look bad, more doesn't need to be said.
It always looked like Ray Fisher was saying John's was passive/enabled the situation with Whedon instead of actually being the middle man/mediator/overseer or whatever his title was, so it never looked that bad for him, what does look bad tho is his reps saying that he's Lebanese-American, or that he loved/wrote Cyborg, that he married a black woman, and now an asian one, and that he has a mixed-race son, so obviously he can't be anything he's being accused of, even though Ray never hinted at what they're implying, outside of the above, Ray was also saying that John's was overstepping and that's it, but the way twitter is reacting to his Johns reps statement lol.
Hamada, this is a tough one, Hamada didn't necessarily do anything (wrong), but he didn't do anything (right) which is also the problem, this is all happening and nothing was done, he obviously heard about the hostile workplace and yet he didn't attempt to reach out to the actors, apologize on behalf of the company, nada, just wanted to put it behind him. Hamada seems very passive or at the very least, he's in his position to care and focus only on the bottom line.
Hamada probably thought that everyone will forget about it two weeks later.
And all things considered, what did DC have to lose going with the things Johns rejected
You don’t put a show on SyFy with an expectation of a long life to begin with, it had stopped being an MOS prequel some time before and it was doomed from the moment the pilot started recording. It would have been better to be radical and fail then be a CW knockoff and fail
Berlanti’s adaptations (DC and otherwise) get stick, but no one can deny he’s at least willing to give the appearance of pushing the envelope, even of only superficially
I didn't assume it was meant to be strict "continuity" in the sense of MoS, at least directly. Just more from an overall franchise visual standpoint.
"The Zods being black on Krypton, the Zods typically being bad guys and all this new info from the article really makes you wonder" - The Zods were kind of messed up on the show, but Zod himself was really the only villainous one of the family on the show.
Well, it got two seasons, so I wouldn't say it was doomed since it did get renewed.
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Eh, I think each individual thing in isolation can be reasonably deemed a creative difference, taken all together though and it becomes a death by a thousand papercuts where Johns comes off looking ignorant. We even got an elevated form of the "I have a black friend" defense in there.
Lol ok.
So what is this big sin of Johns?
Because he advised Ray to talk with Whedon when he is in a good mood? It happens to millions each day when someone tells them that the boss is not in a good mood? So is my boss secretary an enabler when she tells me not to talk to the boss when he is pissed?
That he wanted the catch phrase Booyah? with all respects to Ray he doesn't know a thing about these characters black or white!
That he was perceived that he was threatening him? I expected to read the words "You will never work again in Hollywood" instead it sounded more like an advise not to get a bad reputation.
Honestly it sounds more like personal assumptions with no basis at all. Different views on issues on which Johns is an authority while Ray probably never even knew who Cyborg was before he was casted for the role.
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