Warner Bros/Joss Whedon/Ray Fisher Justice League

[dornwolf]

Just thought I'd toss this in.

https://www.ign.com/articles/justice...ss-whedons-cut

Fisher is claiming all of one Snyder scene made it in and that Whedon basically reshot all of Cyborgs scenes. It's now coming into picture he is incredibly bitter and doesn't know how movies are made.

[Frontier]

Just thought I'd toss this in.

https://www.ign.com/articles/justice...ss-whedons-cut

Fisher is claiming all of one Snyder scene made it in and that Whedon basically reshot all of Cyborgs scenes. It's now coming into picture he is incredibly bitter and doesn't know how movies are made.

So now any use of "The Ride Ain't Over Yet" will be ironic because that was a Whedon filmed scene...

[achilles]

Just thought I'd toss this in.

https://www.ign.com/articles/justice...ss-whedons-cut

Fisher is claiming all of one Snyder scene made it in and that Whedon basically reshot all of Cyborgs scenes. It's now coming into picture he is incredibly bitter and doesn't know how movies are made.

What a tool Fisher is! From his talk, the movie was called "Cyborg", not "Justice League"...

[Triniking1234]

Whedon knew it was an ensemble so he kept all the origin stuff out since Cyborg could've just gotten his own feature later.

Avengers: Age of Ultron rushed the stuff for Wanda and Pietro and Ultron and Vision is basically "The Infinity Gem did it".

[Holt]

A lot of this is sounding increasingly like he’s bitter the movie he thought was gonna be his big break didn’t pan out. I fully believe Whedon was an ******* on set and that the producers enabled his tantrums, but the emphasis on his scenes being cut when by all accounts most people people in the movie had roles shortened or deleted entirely sounds like a personal axe he’s grinding.

[achilles]

Whedon knew it was an ensemble so he kept all the origin stuff out since Cyborg could've just gotten his own feature later.

Avengers: Age of Ultron rushed the stuff for Wanda and Pietro and Ultron and Vision is basically "The Infinity Gem did it".

Yeah, I mean you had the whole team to assemble and put to work, plus introducing those versions of Aquaman and the Flash, and devote some time to the threat, which apparently was a really good driving ballad. To do that and put up an origin story for the least well known member of the team....not going to happen.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Found this from October 30.

https://www.vulture.com/2020/10/ray-...skin-tone.html

“Race was just one of the issues with the reshoot process,” Fisher adds. “There were massive blowups, threats, coercion, taunting, unsafe work conditions, belittling, and gaslighting like you wouldn’t believe.”

Fisher also said others involved with the production informed him that “racist conversations” were allegedly taking place about the film’s performers of color, the contents of which the actor said he heard via “coded” notes he received from Geoff Johns. “Prior to Justice League’s reshoot process, blatantly racist conversations were had and entertained — on multiple occasions — by former and current top level executives at Warner Bros. Pictures,” he says. “Decision-makers that participated in those racist conversations were Geoff Johns, Jon Berg, and currently Warner Bros. Pictures Group chairman Toby Emmerich.”

Fisher doesn';t go into any details about these charges.

[achilles]

Found this from October 30.

https://www.vulture.com/2020/10/ray-...skin-tone.html



Fisher doesn';t go into any details about these charges.

He never has. Or supplied any supporting evidence.

[Cyberstrike]

This whole thing with Whedon is being "unprofessional" and "insensitive" could be that Whedon was just in bad mood.

I mean his departure from Marvel wasn't under of the best terms (from what I've gathered), he was getting divorced and his ex-wife was saying that he slept with actresses on his various TV shows, and his previous work, namely Buffy, the Vampire Slayer and Angel was being re-examined and a lot of people weren't saying good things about it. Then he agreed to do Justice League basically to help Snyder who was going through a very hard time of his own and maybe possibly he could a chance to get write and direct a live action Batgirl movie (that didn't work out), then he's told by the suits at WB to rewrite, reshoot, re-cut, re-color, and try to salvage a movie that wasn't his own and it doesn't take a film buff to know that Snyder and Whedon's styles would never mesh no matter how much you cut, rewrite, reshoot, re-cut, recolor and use CGI to try to salvage a movie that was never going to work. And he's working with a cast he's never worked with and probably doesn't know them very good. And then he gets blamed for the movie under-performing and being a disaster, loses the Batgirl gig, and get called a racist for good measure.

Now this doesn't excuse his alleged bad behavior but it wasn't his movie and he should never taken the job IMHO.

[SiegePerilous02]

A lot of this is sounding increasingly like he’s bitter the movie he thought was gonna be his big break didn’t pan out. I fully believe Whedon was an ******* on set and that the producers enabled his tantrums, but the emphasis on his scenes being cut when by all accounts most people people in the movie had roles shortened or deleted entirely sounds like a personal axe he’s grinding.

Yes, I have an easy time believe Joss can act like an unpleasant, egotistical jerk. But it's sounding more and more like anything he did wasn't as "abusive" (a very loaded accusation) as Fisher claims. And the real issue is that the Cyborg role was reduced when everything was being trimmed down. A complaint about BvS was that it was too bloated, and that only had to contend with three JL members (with the third only being a small supporting role). It's unsurprising that the JL film would seem like it needed streamlining as well.

it's also becoming increasingly hard to believe Whedon would be the most problematic person we have in this production, considering who else is involved both from the previous cut and the new one (Affleck, Miller, Heard, Leto...)

[Agent Z]

Yes, I have an easy time believe Joss can act like an unpleasant, egotistical jerk. But it's sounding more and more like anything he did wasn't as "abusive" (a very loaded accusation) as Fisher claims. And the real issue is that the Cyborg role was reduced when everything was being trimmed down. A complaint about BvS was that it was too bloated, and that only had to contend with three JL members (with the third only being a small supporting role). It's unsurprising that the JL film would seem like it needed streamlining as well.

it's also becoming increasingly hard to believe Whedon would be the most problematic person we have in this production, considering who else is involved both from the previous cut and the new one (Affleck, Miller, Heard, Leto...)

The worst Affleck's been accused of is addiction and infidelity. As for Heard, it looks like she might not be as problematic if this is anything to go by

https://jezebel.com/johnny-depp-lose...sun-1845548250

From the comments in that article

he was found, in the court case he demanded, to the required standard of balance of probabilities (with the higher threshold because of the seriousness of the claims) to have:

1. Assaulted Heard for mocking his tattoos.
2. Assaulted Heard for having a painting from an ex.
3. Assaulted Heard in a trailer.
4. Assaulted Heard on the plane.
5. Assaulted Heard while she was trying to help him detox in the Bahamas.
6. Assaulted Heard during a stay in Tokyo.
7. Assaulted Heard during the stay in Australia, also having done what is alleged in a sealed confidential docket, and that his much publicised finger wounds were self-inflicted.
8. Assaulted Heard on the stairs, during which time Heard hit him in self-defence.
9. Assaulted Heard on the train in SE Asia.
10. Assaulted Heard prior to the Late Late Show.
11. Assaulted Heard during the birthday, Heard didn’t abuse him as claimed, and that it was the dog that shat the bed (judge clearly annoyed at that being repeatedly raised in the courtroom).
12. Assaulted Heard in LA in 2016, also heavily criticises the LAPD for having no notes of incident and lying about the time they were there.

Commanilty noted in these claims were his jealously, anger issues, and problems with drink and drugs.

The only two incidents that didn’t pass the probabilities also note that the judge is careful with the language, with the allegation in LA of 2014 not found due to a lack of specificity in what was claimed to have happened and therefore could’ve just been a charged verbal incident that Depp was apologising for and the allegation in LA of 2015 was “not proven” as Depp hadn’t been cross-examined on it.

So again, this was a case Depp called for in the UK because it’s easier to win here, when previously it was perceived by many (inc. myself I will admit) as allegations both ways and that both sounded similarly abusive, and now it’s gone to material trial and fell apart almost immediately as his case was made up of substantial contradictions, falsehoods, and just about zero impartial witnesses while Heard’s account was backed up.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/...ment-FINAL.pdf

[SiegePerilous02]

The worst Affleck's been accused of is addiction and infidelity. As for Heard, it looks like she might not be as problematic if this is anything to go by

https://jezebel.com/johnny-depp-lose...sun-1845548250

From the comments in that article



https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/...ment-FINAL.pdf

For Affleck, there is the groping of Hilarie Burton, and others who accused him of groping them at red carpet events. And has been accused by Rose McGowan for covering up for Weinstein of her rape, though I don't know how true that turned out to be.

Interesting on Heard and Depp, that changes things.

[kjn]

it's also becoming increasingly hard to believe Whedon would be the most problematic person we have in this production, considering who else is involved both from the previous cut and the new one (Affleck, Miller, Heard, Leto...)

Agent Z already covered Heard.

To that, I'd like to add that all the people you mention are actors. They are responsible for their actions, and could very well be informal leaders on set, but they do not have the responsibility and the authority to shape the work environment during production. That power belongs to the director and the producer(s), in this case Joss Whedon, Jon Berg, and Geoff Johns.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Agent Z already covered Heard.

To that, I'd like to add that all the people you mention are actors. They are responsible for their actions, and could very well be informal leaders on set, but they do not have the responsibility and the authority to shape the work environment during production. That power belongs to the director and the producer(s), in this case Joss Whedon, Jon Berg, and Geoff Johns.

Watch the actors on Smallville on panels, Welling set the tone for the set. They're not people with not powerless interns, these are key cast members and Affleck himself is a big time Hollywood director himself. Its not like actors haven't stuck up for each other and crew members before, look at what they did on Singer's X-men. These aren't extras.

[kjn]

Watch the actors on Smallville on panels, Welling set the tone for the set. They're not people with not powerless interns, these are key cast members and Affleck himself is a big time Hollywood director himself. Its not like actors haven't stuck up for each other and crew members before, look at what they did on Singer's X-men. These aren't extras.

I'm not saying that actors like Affleck aren't powerless or influential on set. They are key members. They carry a lot of informal power.

But they are not hired to manage the production of the film, or to shape the workplace environment. They are hired to do their jobs as actors, under the direction and auspices of directors and producers. There is a clear and unambigious difference in their responsibilites.