Am I the only one who feels like this?

[JudahMyles]

I want to preface this by saying I have no issue with how Batman is interpreted as this grim, brooding figure; it works damn well. It’s who he is and who I think he should continue to be. Batman, at his core, is a being created by darkness.

But, to quote the legend himself, “It’s not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me.”

I believe that the common iteration of the Dark Knight is flawed, not because it is too Dark, but because he is not acting like a Knight. He has one rule, but knights lived by a whole code that kept them true to their goals. In my opinion, Batman’s code should be Gotham’s law.

There is some precedent for this; Adam West was a ‘fully deputized agent of the law’, meaning that despite not being a cop, swore to uphold the same rules the police did. This has fallen away in favor of focusing on his vigilantism, which, again, I don’t have a problem with— after all, what he does is very much taking the law into his own hands... but he can’t be above the law or else he’s just Two-Face without the coin.

I’m not saying we go back to the Silver Age where a campy man-child galavants across Gotham with a grapple being too rough for a grunt or goon. What I /am/ saying is Batman, at his core, should strive to be better than the criminals he defeats.

There’s a moment from “Batman: Hush” I particularly take issue with; when referring to Superman, Batman says he’ll win against him because deep down Clark is a good person, but Bruce is not. Maybe he sees himself that way, but for him to go out to the streets and protect people at his own risk is not something a bad person does.

Batman was created by cruelty, but should not be cruel. He was born of violence, but should not be violent. In a way similar to how he refuses to carry a gun or kill people, to give into that darkness is to become what made him. In my opinion, and what I hope to discuss with you all, is how Batman could be that symbol of justice again, instead of a spotlight highlighting how the system doesn’t work and not doing anything to prove his way does.

Thank you for your time. Can’t wait for the movie, the games, etc.

[Micael]

You're definitely not alone in this in fact I'll say that this has been one of the biggest complains from Batman fans when it comes to his modern characterization. I think some writers focus too much on the trauma and flaws of the man and forget all about his motives and beliefs, I believe that Bruce Wayne loves Gotham above all else or we wouldn't be doing what he does. I hate when it seems that he hates crime more than he loves helping people and hate even more when he's depicted as some of kind of lunatic that couldn't possibly live without his costume and his colorful villains. Sure his crusade is a big part of his life one that would be extremely hard to let go but is that any different to any other person and their and their life occupations, we all have things that defines us and we almost can't see ourselves leaving without it. Most if not all of super heroes would feel lost if they had to suddenly stop fighting crime and we constantly get stories tackling that scenario so I don't know why Batman gets the reputation of being unable to move on. Speaking of moving on, writers need to stop making it seem that Batman's mission is forever only motivated by his parents death, we all understand that was the major event that put Bruce Wayne on this path but at some point there's more to his mission than just trauma, by now Batman should understand that his work in important and that he himself loves helping people. This may be unpopular but 5/6 years into his career his major motivation for crime fighting should be Gotham itself instead of his parents death.

[prepmaster]

his major motivation for crime fighting should be Gotham itself instead of his parents death.

If his motive is 100% about Gotham then he wouldn't be a crime fighter.

[Micael]

If his motive is 100% about Gotham then he wouldn't be a crime fighter.

I guess I wasn't clear. I'm not saying Gotham should be his only motivation but is should be the most important. His parents death should serve more as a catalyst.

[Flash Gordon]

Batman should never be cruel. He's a superhero with a big heart. Sure he's a dark, mysterious, brooding detective- but a lot of that is for aesthetics. He's a Dark Knight.

His parents' death was the catalyst for becoming The Batman but it is not what continues to drive him at 40. He's driven by the thrill of the 'cases', like most detectives are. He's also not nearly as much of a loner as people seem to think- the guy loves having pals and allies of all different walks of life.

[Alan2099]

I remember one old comic back when he was still in the gray and blue where he said his costume was intended to be a symbol of fear to criminals but a symbol of hope for the innocent.

I think somewhere along the lines, that symbol of hope thing was lost.

[prepmaster]

His parents' death was the catalyst for becoming The Batman but it is not what continues to drive him at 40. He's driven by the thrill of the 'cases', like most detectives are.

I don't find the thrill of the solving cases being a better motive than the pain of losing loved ones. He is vengeance, not only for the death of his parents but also for the death of other innocents against criminals. He understands the pain of losing loved ones and wants to prevents others from suffering the same pain that he went through. Its not simply about getting over the pain but understanding the pain.

[JBatmanFan05]

There is some precedent for this; Adam West was a ‘fully deputized agent of the law’, meaning that despite not being a cop, swore to uphold the same rules the police did. This has fallen away in favor of focusing on his vigilantism, which, again, I don’t have a problem with— after all, what he does is very much taking the law into his own hands... but he can’t be above the law or else he’s just Two-Face without the coin.

He was born of violence, but should not be violent.

I think you're definitely alone in thinking Batman shouldn't be violent. Even Bill Finger and Bob Kane disagreed with that. This is comic books, where law enforcement by colorful heroes is violent.

I think Batman already is what you want regarding the law: Mostly believing in "the system" in Gotham. Joker Devil's Advocate and other Dixon stories really reinforce Batman's idea on keeping (mostly) to the system, like Batman not letting Joker be executed for the one murder he didn't commit. Being about justice and being a symbol of justice while inescapably being a bit of a vigilante.

I kind of think of Batman like a Dirty Harry quote (from the second DH film Magnum Force): "I hate the damn system, but until someone comes along with changes that make sense, I'll stick with it."