Immortal She-Hulk #1 Preview - Logan talking about Krakoa

[loke13]

Can we stop talking about Krakoa as if he is a patch of dirt? He is a mutant. At the end of the day Krakoa and only Krakoa will decide who can and who can’t visit Krakoa.

Krakoa uses they/them pronouns.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Can we stop talking about Krakoa as if he is a patch of dirt? He is a mutant. At the end of the day Krakoa and only Krakoa will decide who can and who can’t visit Krakoa.

Krkaoa has multiple meaning in HiX, it's a nation as well as a a sentient island. That may be true, but it should be called out for its racist ideologies - it's a sentient being who communicates with people, and is a vital part in how the Krkaao government governs, not a wild animal. This should be a learning experience for it to grow, not revert to being a villain again simply because it can't grasp things like hating people for their race isn't right.

[loke13]

Krkaoa has multiple meaning in HiX, it's a nation as well as a a sentient island. That may be true, but it should be called out for its racist ideologies - it's a sentient being who communicates with people, and is a vital part in how the Krkaao government governs, not a wild animal. This should be a learning experience for it to grow, not revert to being a villain again simply because it can't grasp things like hating people for their race isn't right.

Lol what can't tell if this is satire

[Jack The Tripper]

Except we shouldn't just be seeing Jen, Jen isn't even that big a star in Marvel. She's B-lister, if not a C-lister. Marvel and Hickman are not only keeping Krakoa in a little box within its own titles, they may as well not be the game changer Krakoa's been shown as in their own books - which I think was deliberate in case Hickman wants to reveal it being a past life of Moira X or the next writer retcons it as such or does something else to take krakoa off there board - like having them all be sinister plant clones. The problem is in the books nobody brings these things up, which they would be talking about since they're meant to be people and people know what tourism is and want their old friends to hang out with them when they move to other countries. Dealing with anti-mutant bigot security threats is just normal to the majority fo these people, long before Krakoa. That's like the Avengers worrying about when Kang will strike. Here comes Kang again, who saw that coming? *every Avenger raises their hand* Hawkeye won the bet by five days, something like that. Except they have a large nation now, people they know whose jobs are about that. That's what every government does. But they don't need to choose that, that's a false option.





Every few years mutants are on the verge of extinction, they were in worse shape as a species during Decimation. This stopped being solely about being species when Xavier decided to make himself the founder and leader of a mutant nation, that's Krakoa's solution: entering geopolitics and their problems are now in the geopolitical arena. Economics, immigration, governance, those are now Xavier's answers to problems rather than creating superhero paramilitary squads. Sure it is, that's all the krakoa age is doing, that's how it defined itself from other time periods in the franchise. Even more than Utopia. You're not a mutant? Get out. That's how we're going to judge people as being a friend or enemy now. Apocalypse? You're in. She-Hulk? Get off our island or we're going to throw you out because you're not a mutant. Of course she wouldn't get that far into Krakoa to begin with, by design. Krakao's more hardline against immigrants than North Korea. Tyrants use nice language to soften their bad stances, and the Quiet Council hit all the benchmarks, even if it's not spoken out loud.



They can do that without doing what krakoa is right now. Unless, like I said, the mutant populace are inherently against democracy politically. Just because Xavier and co. are the ones making all the choices now isn't a reason that it's inevitable answer to all the questions mutant society has got governing. They're just the mutants who got their first and have the power to maintain their position, juts like in real life the rich and connected get to dominate the direction mutant kind goes in, except it's worse now because this in a nation rather than a super-heroes team or a movement.





But it is another country, it just has mutants. There are other super powered nations in Marvel, like Attilan, Atlantis and more. This isn't our Earth, it's Marvel's. Countries are, once again, not safe spaces. Jen can respect Krakoa as a haven for mutant kind, and think they're being racist against non-mutants when their immigration policy is more strict then North Korea's. Because nations shouldn't be forbidding people from crossing its borders because of their race. Countries have their own processes for immigration, there may are many hoops Jen would have to go through to be a citizen or be visit - her race should have nothing to do with it. Human rights, and this goes for all humanoid life on marvel Earth (which mutants are a sub-group of), not being given a priority until undisclosed further which will never arrive (because Krakoa as we know it is on a ticking clock, about to hit act 2) is a huge red flag. Then why are the non-mutant and mutants still so disconnected within their titles? Why aren't we seeing non-mutant guest stars constantly in Krakoa? Reed wanted to cloak Franklin's powers to protect him from Sentinels, Xavier and magneto went overboard and made sure that technology was kept out of his reach - a move I'd associate more with helping the anti-mutant cause because it doesn't help them. Despite the fact Xavier was a friend of Reed's. Krakao wasn't there for a friendly meet and greet, it was official business to recruit an Omega for their own agenda. The X-men weren't there, representatives of Krakoa were.




They have more going for them on morality than Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister and Exodus. The resistance to krakoa is not realistic in the last with their past characterisations, the X-men as we knew them would be starting civil war by now. They've chewed out Xavier for less. These characters wouldn't be so mild with their decisions as we've been shown, that's partially why it feels off. It is leading up to something big but it's telling that they're not doing anything now. Because he's a kid, and just because he's powerful Franklin shouldn't be used as a tool by Krakoa's government like he's just another killer. His parents would be right to be furious about that. It remains to be seen if anyone truly has a choice to leave Krakoa. The faction infighting should have vastly more tension then what we see, especially the unknown Genosha mutants who wanted to kill Magneto when he was vulnerable when he ruled Genosha. Their lack of presence is a huge red flag of what Krakoa's doing with these resurrected mutants from Genosha. Where are they?

Ughhh this is so long, I'm not responding anymore lol. I've seen enough of your past interactions on these threads to know it's just gonna be a pointless back and forth with absolutely no point to it. Im gonna say one last thing though. In the context of these preview pages; Logan is completely correct, and the concerns that Jen has raised in these pages are moot; they come from a place of envy. She can ask to come onto Krakoa and see what they say before commenting on it in such a way.

[Agent Z]

Pointless anti-Krakoa and anti-Mutant whining aside, this is kinda refreshing to hear this coming from Jimmy, taking into account that not to long ago, Logan was bitching about Cyke's mission in Schism through AvX. It's always good to see those with *unearned* privilege be put in their place by someone who has actually lived through oppression and persecution. Last I checked, Walters has never experienced as such, despite being a Hulk. In other words people like She-Hulk and other mutates (minus Spidey) have been coddled and handed acceptance into human society without any work put in. The exchange between Wolvie and Shulkie reminds me of the time the ol'Canucklehead put Major Glory (Cap) on blast and reminded him of his privilege.

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Jen has been sexually harassed and was indeed met with mistrust for being a Hulk. See Marvel Graphic Novel Issue #18.

[Glio]

Krkaoa has multiple meaning in HiX, it's a nation as well as a a sentient island. That may be true, but it should be called out for its racist ideologies - it's a sentient being who communicates with people, and is a vital part in how the Krkaao government governs, not a wild animal. This should be a learning experience for it to grow, not revert to being a villain again simply because it can't grasp things like hating people for their race isn't right.

A shark is not racist for eating a fish but for letting another species clean its teeth.

[Frostfire]

Quick question - how does she know about his resurrection in Krakkoa? I thought that the mutants were keeping that a secret.

[Jack The Tripper]

Quick question - how does she know about his resurrection in Krakkoa? I thought that the mutants were keeping that a secret.

I think she's just talking about Logan's return to life prior to HoXPoX!

[Triniking1234]

Quick question - how does she know about his resurrection in Krakkoa? I thought that the mutants were keeping that a secret.

It isn't written where Jenn is referring to his resurrection in HPoX. She could also be referring to Death and Return of Wolverine from Soule.

[Triniking1234]

Krkaoa has multiple meaning in HiX, it's a nation as well as a a sentient island. That may be true, but it should be called out for its racist ideologies - it's a sentient being who communicates with people, and is a vital part in how the Krkaao government governs, not a wild animal. This should be a learning experience for it to grow, not revert to being a villain again simply because it can't grasp things like hating people for their race isn't right.

I don't get why you ignore years of X-Men history to push this "The X-Men are racist" narrative.

[Lapsus]

The obvious answer to this is that 10 years ago Marvel never thought they, and the X-books in particular, would be in such dire straits sales and creativity-wise they would need to be rescued by Hickman doing Utopia on steroids and high heels, with some very uncomfortable ideas for the kind of people that fancy themselves liberals, but think Elizabeth Warren is a Marxist.

The problem of course is that for the most the same people in charge then are running the show now, so they would never just admit they're wrong. Hell, the six months before Hickman were a big **** you to anyone that liked anything that happened since Morrison.

I am not mad about Wolverine speech but i can guess why people complain, there are mutants better suited for that speech.

Besides, this always make characters look bad especially if it feels uncalled, why suddenly is she-hulk mad about Krakoan policies.

[Omega Alpha]

I don't get why you ignore years of X-Men history to push this "The X-Men are racist" narrative.

Again, because some people have problems with minorities taking a more aggressive and proactive approach rather than beg approval of the minority for...reasons.

[c-lei]

I mean there have been multiple proto-Krokoas (ie Avalon) but none of them were as well-protected, had political power or as much resources. Utopia in particular seemed very tied to San Fransisco still as it was a barren island that didn't really seem suitable for growing much on there.

And the Avengers still attacked them there anyway.

It doesn't affect humans until it does. When you create an ethno-state based on "genetic purity" it is going to have effects elsewhere, not the least on other people in other parts of the world who want to create similar states. To be frank, Hickman and Marvel putting out this kind of story in the age of Trump is very disturbing. I don't know if any white surpremacists in the real world have latched onto the current X-Men series to validate their ideas (I'm not prepared to do an internet search to find out) but I would not at all be surprised to find out that they have.

I think Hickman is a very intelligent and capable writer and the hints that Krakoa is a very, very sinister place have been dropping all over the place, so I'm willing to see how this plays out. But the X-Men, as currently being written, are race supremacists and that is a really dark turn to take, however it is rationalized.

BS. They've finally grew up and realized that there is really nowhere where they will be really accepted for who they are no matter what they do, so they finally said the hell with it.

Imma just gonna put this here. It's a fanfiction excerpt where Shatterstar challenged the Quiet Council to bring the alien-looking refugees from his building to Krakoa for their safety:

“Krakoa is an island of refuge-” ‘Star began.

“For mutants,” Magneto cut in. ‘Star’s swords were in front of him. One wrong word or action and the Omega-level mutant would turn the otherworldly metals into an unusable ball. “And mutants only.”

“Israel is not exclusive to Jews and Jews only,” ‘Star responded briskly. His voice carried a hint of the disdain that Magneto practically embodied when not dealing with his own kind. The Master of Magnetism caught the tone, as well as the clear intent of the simple sentence, and fell into disapproving silence.

What exactly does this have to do with anything? It's Crappy *FANFICTION*, dude...just like the New Mutants Movie.

[c-lei]

Mutants having a nation/sanctuary/callitwhateveryouwant and doing controversial (YMMV) things to maintain it. Apparently, Logan's definition of the proverbial Rubicon depends on whether or not he recently slaughtered a bunch of his bastard kids or whatever. Oh well.

No,Logan realized that the Anthem of the X-men and now of Krakoa is and always shall be "You Can't Always Get What You Want" by the Rolling Stones.

The Rolling Stones - You Can’t Always Get What You Want (Official Lyric Video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krxU5Y9lCS8

[Huntsman Spider]

No,Logan realized that the Anthem of the X-men and now of Krakoa is and always shall be "You Can't Always Get What You Want" by the Rolling Stones.

The Rolling Stones - You Can’t Always Get What You Want (Official Lyric Video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krxU5Y9lCS8

But if you try sometimes, you might find, you get what you need!