Immortal She-Hulk #1 Preview - Logan talking about Krakoa

[Ferro]

It really isn't apples and oranges. Segregation in any form is the same.

Krakoa doesn't really offer mutants anything any other separatist nation of the past had either. Mutants are no better protected on Krakoa than they were on Utopia or at Xavier's school.

When minorities chose to band together is not segregration, and no mutants were killed in two alien invasions because there were heavy evacuation protocols, a bunker and an extremely competent war force that dispatched said threats.
Utopia didn even have a way to be self sufficient with water and food emma had to blow all of her financial resources to feed utopia, and the mansion gets atacked every two weeks without any proper protection protocols, let's not pretend otherwise in Red Velvet's internet krakoa is a heaven compared.

[Ferro]

Imma just gonna put this here. It's a fanfiction excerpt where Shatterstar challenged the Quiet Council to bring the alien-looking refugees from his building to Krakoa for their safety:

“Krakoa is an island of refuge-” ‘Star began.

“For mutants,” Magneto cut in. ‘Star’s swords were in front of him. One wrong word or action and the Omega-level mutant would turn the otherworldly metals into an unusable ball. “And mutants only.”

“Israel is not exclusive to Jews and Jews only,” ‘Star responded briskly. His voice carried a hint of the disdain that Magneto practically embodied when not dealing with his own kind. The Master of Magnetism caught the tone, as well as the clear intent of the simple sentence, and fell into disapproving silence.

Krakoa isn't israel, it lacks the apaertheid and colonialism.
Star isnt a mutant, he doesn't get to yell demands on anything really.

[Jack The Tripper]

There is, she's forbidden form going to Krakoa because of her race, being a super-hero who's saved the world how many tires and knowing any X-men don't count for anything. No human is, that's how Krakoa likes it, it's a closed society by choice - like Attilan is. Actually no, even Attilan was ok letting in humans and treating them like honored guests despite the fact they wanted to go to war with them. They did this with Sentry during Civil War.

Humans can be invited to Krakoa though. I have no doubt that any of the X-men would allow her to visit. And besides, in universe, she shouldn't mind as long as her friends are happy. It would be utterly selfish to demand she be let in to a minorities safe space. As people have said, I'm not offended that I can't go into a woman's toilet. If a minority asked me not to go to a minority's safe space I wouldn't complain one bit.

Krakoa has not impacted her socially. Not one bit.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Humans can be invited to Krakoa though. I have no doubt that any of the X-men would allow her to visit.

And yet they haven't. The X-men have been friends with these heroes for years, but they remain uninvited. The X-tiles are more tightly in their corner then they have been in the past when Marvel cut itself into themed corners.

And besides, in universe, she shouldn't mind as long as her friends are happy. It would be utterly selfish to demand she be let in to a minorities safe space. As people have said, I'm not offended that I can't go into a woman's toilet. If a minority asked me not to go to a minority's safe space I wouldn't complain one bit.

In the past her friends isn't judge if she couldn't go to the X-mansion because she isn't a mutant. Nations aren't safe spaces, this isn't about women's toilets. It's like not being allowed in America because you're from the Middle East. Mutants aren't minorities in Krakoa, they're the majority - the game has changed, they govern their own country. They're not in America anymore, they're not even in Utopia.

Krakoa has not impacted her socially. Not one bit.

Wasn't too long ago mutants were on Avengers teams, some were in constant rotations like Beast and Wolverine now after Krakoa it's much harder for her to to be sociable if she wants to and she can exactly expect a welcome wagon if she shows up on Krakoa for a social visit or recruit someone on short notice. And now Krakoa's interactions with her other friends in the Fantastic Four hasn't exactly made them look welcoming to outsiders, even past friends.

[Ferro]

And yet they haven't. The X-men have been friends with these heroes for years, but they remain uninvited. The X-tiles are more tightly in their corner then they have been in the past when Marvel cut itself into themed corners.



In the past her friends isn't judge if she couldn't go to the X-mansion because she isn't a mutant. Nations aren't safe spaces, this isn't about women's toilets. It's like not being allowed in America because you're from the Middle East. Mutants aren't minorities in Krakoa, they're the majority - the game has changed, they govern their own country. They're not in America anymore, they're not even in Utopia.



Wasn't too long ago mutants were on Avengers teams, some were in constant rotations like Beast and Wolverine now after Krakoa it's much harder for her to to be sociable if she wants to and she can exactly expect a welcome wagon if she shows up on Krakoa for a social visit or recruit someone on short notice. And now Krakoa's interactions with her other friends in the Fantastic Four hasn't exactly made them look welcoming to outsiders, even past friends.

Are any of these meant to be bad things? krakoa has their own issues

[king of hybrids]

????????

Why is jennifer getting dragged in her own book for something completely unrelated?

Ewing does seem to be one of those Marvel writers who seems genuinely offended by the MCU’s success and its influence on Marvel, either because it’s derailed a lot of decades long development/led to unearned prominence (see Venom)/is too “mainstream”

Also it’s customary at this point for writers crossing over from the Marvel side to the X-books to drag their former side and denounce having ever liked them vs being a paycheque (Bendis, Soule etc) as a form of ritual cleansing

In-universe, the Green Hulks constantly try invoke a pity party and moral high ground on everyone else, while also holding the fact that they are mentally unstable rage monsters with a vindictive streak a mile wide over everyone’s head.

It’s hardly surprising that, now immortal, guys like Logan (whatever their beefs with the other super humans) are tired of it.

[Jack The Tripper]

And yet they haven't. The X-men have been friends with these heroes for years, but they remain uninvited. The X-tiles are more tightly in their corner then they have been in the past when Marvel cut itself into themed corners.



In the past her friends isn't judge if she couldn't go to the X-mansion because she isn't a mutant. Nations aren't safe spaces, this isn't about women's toilets. It's like not being allowed in America because you're from the Middle East. Mutants aren't minorities in Krakoa, they're the majority - the game has changed, they govern their own country. They're not in America anymore, they're not even in Utopia.



Wasn't too long ago mutants were on Avengers teams, some were in constant rotations like Beast and Wolverine now after Krakoa it's much harder for her to to be sociable if she wants to and she can exactly expect a welcome wagon if she shows up on Krakoa for a social visit or recruit someone on short notice. And now Krakoa's interactions with her other friends in the Fantastic Four hasn't exactly made them look welcoming to outsiders, even past friends.

We haven't exactly seen any human hero asking to be let in though have we? It seems as though they aren't keen to go over either. You're right they are in their own corner - they've just started a nation, and as we've seen, humanity hasn't exactly been respectful to them. The whole point, is to let them find their footing as a nation and hopefully not be scared of utter decimation as we've previously seen. The fact that humans can't understand this is selfish.

You're correct, but America was not just founded by what are essentially refugees a few months ago. They're working on a new Nation, and a new culture. It isn't the same. And tbh, it's more the other way around. It's like Americans not being allowed in the Middle East. And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised with That, given the atrocities committed by America in the name of oil and freedom. The fact is, the humans need to accept mutants before mutants will accept them. They are the minority in context of the world. They have seeked refuge. It doesn't affect humans.

Again, that would be selfish on Jennifer's part. If my friend moved to another country for a better life, I have no reason to be bitter about it. You can miss those people, but if you're sour that they're happy, then you aren't a friend. Let's be completely fair here - neither the FF or the X-Men came off looking well there. Both were in the wrong, but in the end, Franklin wanted to go to Krakoa. They were looking out for a mutant.

[Glio]

Human heroes who ask to be invited to Krakoa can enter. In Excalibur # 1, Apocalypse offers an invitation to Brian Braddock.

The problem is that we have only seen them sneak in (Doctor Strange, 4F, Deadpool ...)

The mutants in those cases respond in the same way that the 4F treats other heroes when they sneak into the Baxter building.

[Jack The Tripper]

Also if all a human needs to enter Krakoa is an invite, then Krakoa are a lot less strict than most places, requiring visas and permits. It aint new.

[AJpyro]

Random question: Is Jen's bikini/supersuit the unstable molecule model?

[BroHomo]

Random question: Is Jen's bikini/supersuit the unstable molecule model?

She got it at Target soo...
Yes.

[Huntsman Spider]

Random question: Is Jen's bikini/supersuit the unstable molecule model?

She got it at Target soo...
Yes.

Technically, she got it from T'Challa/Black Panther as a way to better harness the gamma radiation powering her. She even pulled off a gamma-fueled energy blast with it at one point.

[loke13]

I can't believe people are still spouting the factually incorrect "humans aren't allowed on Krakoa!" propaganda.

[Huntsman Spider]

I can't believe people are still spouting the factually incorrect "humans aren't allowed on Krakoa!" propaganda.

It's a lot like propaganda or conspiracy theories in real life. Once they spread, they're almost impossible to negate in the eyes of the general public even if they're untrue or inaccurate.

[Lucyinthesky]

What they say dont matter, you can or cant believe them, the medicines are a good product until you start to add the extra conditions apart from the fact that Krakoa trade relations are just one sided (only Krakoa profit)

What extra conditions?

Im not saying that what they are doing is illegal but the UN have no voice in this, once the mutant criminal is take it to Krakoa you lost track of what happens there. In practice Krakoa demands blind trust in how they handle the criminals.

Krakoa is not demanding anything because the UN usually operates that way with every country, each country can handle it´s criminals the way they chose to unless they have foreing criminals, in that case there must be an agreetment between nations to decide how to handle the situation of a particular criminal. It´s a legal matter not a matter of trust.

The UN doesn´t have the authority to force countries to operate the way the UN wants but they can make a suggestion or in the case of a very serious situation, meaning a military intervention or war , it can seek the cooperation of other nations to try to put a stop to it.In the case of the MU they could call on the Avengers and Shield if it comes to it but as long as Krakoa keeps it´s bussines for itself then there´s no reason for the UN to act that way.

The gates are not an embassy because they are an actual border with another country. A border that you cannot control and that in some cases like USA, there are several of them.

I call them embassies because they are supposed to be the place in which they conduct bussines with the countries in which that gate is located and also the place of contact for their citizens. That´s how an embassy usually operates, they are considered part of that nation inside another nation territory with permission from the host nation, they can reject that embassy and it´s ambassador at any moment but this type of decisions are only considered when the relationiship has become hostile or cold. There are countries who have more than one embassy for each country in which it has a political relationship, so no, they are not borders in the traditional sense.