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    Quote Originally Posted by Killerbee911 View Post
    Why do people think a war requires shots fired ,a fight between humans and mutants will be who can mass sterilize or mass mutate each other first. Both which are plans that don't require going "pew pew" or "kaboom" with each other.
    Because these are super hero comics, so things HAVE to go "pew pew" and "kaboom" either right away or eventualy.

    That's the whole premise of such comics. Or else fancy outfits and costumes, super model and alien looks, simplified logistics and organization, wild all over the place super powers and all the other visuals would need to be excluded too.

    It would be all people in suits throwing rhetoric at each other over and over on media. People in lab coats and protection suits looking at tiny plastic and glass vessels, inserting tiny drops of clear looking liquids into them and then looking at confusing looking stats and graphics, over months. People in various outfits sitting behind computer screens all day and manipulating informations and fabricating social media opinions.

    And all because one part of the human population suddently has something like the ability to feel what other people think via the sensing the bio-eletricity in their nervous system. Not manipulating weather, creating magnetic fields, being able to turn into stone, ice, fire, gas, comic letters, etc.

    And not just in singular scenes and summaries, or as one-issue side tracking. It would be the whole thing.

    Of course you could make a comic like that. But it's not what X-men is about.
    That IS "pew pew" and "kaboom" with the occasional big lettered speech or scene of people in suits but all that is just sidetracking leading to the action.
    With a metaphor of various injustices against people of "otherness" from the defined or pecieved norm thrown into the mix, to the point where the mutant metaphor contradicts itself at times.
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    The Devil Hulk is canonically capable of beating and consuming Franklin Richards and Metatron, as well as the entire 9th Multiverse.

    By extension the rest of Mutantkind (or Humanity) would be no match at all.

    So, the current anti-god powered Hulk? He's not really something one would call human anymore.

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    humans as stated by moira

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    As we've seen in the comics multiple times already, humanity wins and mutants go extinct. The wrinkle isn't if humans win, but how they win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runarc View Post
    The Devil Hulk is canonically capable of beating and consuming Franklin Richards and Metatron, as well as the entire 9th Multiverse.

    By extension the rest of Mutantkind (or Humanity) would be no match at all.

    So, the current anti-god powered Hulk? He's not really something one would call human anymore.
    Devil Hulk WILL BE capable. Not right now.

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    Depends on who strikes first.
    Some of us wait, some of us act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordAllMIghty View Post
    Depends on who strikes first.
    Yeah, that makes sense, though I still stand by my position that ultimately, nobody wins. They all destroy each other and so much of the planet both sides believe is their rightful inheritance that regardless of which side has more people left in the end, it just won't have been worth it.
    The spider is always on the hunt.

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    A single high end reality warping mutant could win the war before the humans even know what is happening. Clean and precise.
    Let the flames destroy all but that which is pure and true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    A single high end reality warping mutant could win the war before the humans even know what is happening. Clean and precise.
    And then they go mad, some mutants and other people turn out to be immune to the reality warping and noticing that the world isn't as it should be, so they band together overthrow the reality warper in some "epic" splash page scenes, the world is returned to normal, some things are shaken up for a few months or years and then the next big thing happens that won't change the status quo for long.

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    Those are the narrative conventions that even makes this a question. Without that plot armor, the humans would be toast. It's the same thing that keeps Batman an equal to his godly powered peers/foes, and the same thing that allows humanity to keep defeating massively technologically advanced aliens in all these movies, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    Those are the narrative conventions that even makes this a question. Without that plot armor, the humans would be toast. It's the same thing that keeps Batman an equal to his godly powered peers/foes, and the same thing that allows humanity to keep defeating massively technologically advanced aliens in all these movies, etc.
    I would argue the same narrative force which makes it so that weaker characters or group are capable of gaining the upper hand against mightier enemies is however also the very same force which makes things like "reality warpers" even possible in first place.

    So without one, you can't really have the other. Same reason you have all the fancy super heroic elements like costumes, everyone looking good or interesting, silly super hero/villain names as personal identites and fantasy and sci-fi elements existing side by side in massively mixed numbers.

    All the fancy "tools" the mutant side has is because this is a super hero comic franchise, so heros and villains got all the fancy powers, abilities and other tools at their disposale which the writers under Hickman have now thrown into the same pot to make the X-men and their allies appear so unstoppable.

    Because the writers at Marvel and DC were increasingly introducing super natural elements and powers to spice the plot up and make the normal humans appear so at the mercy of the super heros to save them.

    The same reason Iron Man, Hank Pym and Reed Richard can have technology at their disposale that is so beyond normal technology from our real world. Yet the comics will never allow them to take over the world with it. (And if they do it will be undone)

    If one side has reality warpers, the other will somehow get something of equal value or else one side wouldn't get reality warpers to beginn with.

    Hence why the only narrative outcome for such a conflict is that it's prevented, stopped at early stage or won by one side which will then also act on super heroic morals and not destroy or harm the defeated side (or even change the status quo of the fictional universe).
    Likewise the implication being that no side will win via dark future visions, time travel or predictions.
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    Mutants win. Everyone else gets curbstomped by reality warpers, telepaths, elementals and Externals.
    Last edited by Odd Rödney; 02-18-2021 at 03:23 PM. Reason: Blue text became too cumbersome.
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    “The Mutants are attacking! Someone give Wanda the Darkhold and 50ccs of Daddy Issues stat!”

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    Humants will win this war.

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    Two outcomes:
    1) Mutants win decisively.
    2) Flatscans win but at some shitty cost.
    "Cable was right!"

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