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    Quote Originally Posted by Ra-El View Post
    Romantic relationships among characters of different franchises usually don't go well, all is needed is the writer or editorial of one those franchises wanting it to end for things go off the rails. Also, usually the character of the less popular franchise end up getting craped on as a result of the break up.

    But even when things aren't that bad, the truth is that it will never be as iconic as Superman and Lois, Spider-Man and MJ, Reed and Sue, Batman and Catwoman, Cyclops and Jean, Cyclops and Emma and now Aquaman and Mera. The lack of stability, the fact that both characters come from the different franchises that sometimes are runned by people with different interests will always get on the way.

    Let's look at Storm and T'Challa. When they first got together, Hudlin wanted her, and he had enough pull to have her and T'Challa as a couple, or maybe no one on the X-Men side wanted her enough to fight to keep her under the x-office control. As a result of it, she was basically left out of any major role on the x-books during at time when great changes happened to the franchise as a whole, changes that catapulted character into a popularity that they didn't had before, like Cyclops and Emma Frost.

    Now looking at things from Black Panther perspective, the character and Wakanda are having a large portion of it's mythos tied to a character from a different franchise, that can at any moment be taken away by a different editorial office. Let's say that Coates decides to end his run turning Storm into the new patron godess of Wakanda and having her be the new person in charge of Wakanda mystic defenses. Then 2 months later Hickman decides that Storm was never an actual godess, that she and Cyclops are in love and have them move to Mars to establish a base from Krakoa there. That would make a major part of a 4 years Black Panther run not just invalid, because a lot of pages that should be used to promote a in house love interest to the main hero was wasted on a futureless relationship with a character that the BP editorial have almost zero control over.
    This.

    Give Storm a love interest from the X-Men books.

    Give T'Challa a love interest from his own books.

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    Kevin Feige has complete creative control over Marvel and the MCU is the most profitable part of Marvel. Having Storm, an X-Man, also be Wakanda’s high priestess/goodness could leads to very interesting stories on film. I’m sure the Black Panther will continue with Shuri or Killmonger as the new Black Panther and Storm could still be made part of the family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreeter View Post
    Invisible Woman and Mr. Fantastic marriage is the foundation of the Fantastic Four. Cyclops’s marriage to Marvel Girl became an important part of the X-Men due to their children.

    Storm’s relationship with the Black Panther certainly gave her a supporting cast that she never had.
    Reed and Sue are the only exception. Cyclops and Jean broke up.

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreeter View Post
    Kevin Feigebhas complete creative control over Marvel and the MCU is the most profitable part of Marvel. Having Storm, an X-Man, also be Wakanda’s high priestess/goodness could leads to very interesting stories on film. I’m sure the Black Panther will continue with Shuri or Killmonger as the new Black Panther and Storm could still be made part of the family.
    Movies should not be influencing day in present comics. Storm as a character has more interesting stories as part of the xmen and bouncing off other characters like Cyclops, Wolverine and Gambit and as a part of a fantastic female superhero squad that consists of Jean, Rogue, Emma, Kitty Pryde and Psylocke. This is above anything she has with the supporting black panther cast. They are not mutants,her links to them will always feel superficial once you ignore the race factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castle View Post
    Reed and Sue are the only exception. Cyclops and Jean broke up.



    Movies should not be influencing day in present comics. Storm as a character has more interesting stories as part of the xmen and bouncing off other characters like Cyclops, Wolverine and Gambit and as a part of a fantastic female superhero squad that consists of Jean, Rogue, Emma, Kitty Pryde and Psylocke. This is above anything she has with the supporting black panther cast. They are not mutants,her links to them will always feel superficial once you ignore the race factor.
    Money talks, bs walks. That’s the old saying. Of course the movies influence the comics to the point where comic book stories are written as reading grounds for later films. The entire Hickman era is a reboot of the XMen so X-Men MCU can be fresh, while Fox XMen could only badly adapt Claremont’s 80s story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castle View Post
    Reed and Sue are the only exception. Cyclops and Jean broke up.
    that doesnt negate what he wrote. Their relationship/marriage was an important part of X-men history and despite breaking up, they are back together

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Wedjat View Post
    This.

    Give Storm a love interest from the X-Men books.

    Give T'Challa a love interest from his own books.
    That would solve everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castle View Post
    Reed and Sue are the only exception. Cyclops and Jean broke up.



    Movies should not be influencing day in present comics. Storm as a character has more interesting stories as part of the xmen and bouncing off other characters like Cyclops, Wolverine and Gambit and as a part of a fantastic female superhero squad that consists of Jean, Rogue, Emma, Kitty Pryde and Psylocke. This is above anything she has with the supporting black panther cast. They are not mutants,her links to them will always feel superficial once you ignore the race factor.
    Haven’t T’Challa and Storm had a history since the 70s? Also why shouldn’t Storm get to interact with a cast of black characters?

    I’m not even the biggest Storm/ Black Panther shipper, but having her appear in those books shouldn’t limit her development in the X-Men titles. If Wolverine gets solos, guest spots, and Avengers team membership than Storm should also be able to show up in other books. Obviously if I had to choose I pick her getting prominence in the X-books any day but it really shouldn’t even have to be a choice.

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    Hudlin shot his shot. It didn't work. The BP motion comic didn't even get aired on BET in America. AvX ruined whatever could have been. Coates's run is already irrelevant before he has finished. The MCU's BP eclipsed all the comics canon, but now that Chadwick is gone, so ends T'challa. The Storm/BP experiment has failed.

    I think Wakanda is a fascinating concept, but Ororo's relevance to it was negligible before Hudlin. Her storied relationships are with her X-Men family. If Marvel ever grew some fortitude and pushed Storm as her own brand, there are plenty of directions you could take her story that don't include T'challa or Wakanda(and they have shown that they don't need her).

    In other circumstances, they could be interesting together, but with their publication history being what it is, and the MCU situation being what it is, it's best they go in separate directions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
    Hudlin shot his shot. It didn't work. The BP motion comic didn't even get aired on BET in America. AvX ruined whatever could have been. Coates's run is already irrelevant before he has finished. The MCU's BP eclipsed all the comics canon, but now that Chadwick is gone, so ends T'challa. The Storm/BP experiment has failed.

    I think Wakanda is a fascinating concept, but Ororo's relevance to it was negligible before Hudlin. Her storied relationships are with her X-Men family. If Marvel ever grew some fortitude and pushed Storm as her own brand, there are plenty of directions you could take her story that don't include T'challa or Wakanda(and they have shown that they don't need her).

    In other circumstances, they could be interesting together, but with their publication history being what it is, and the MCU situation being what it is, it's best they go in separate directions.
    No it isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadey View Post
    No it isn't.
    I personally think T'challa should be recast and his story continued, but that seems to be the unpopular position. It is almost certain the MCU will focus on Shuri taking up the mantle. Given how the MCU sets the tone for the books, where does that leave T'challa? To be fair, Tony and Steve are still running around.... It's all still years away; Hollywood could implode completely before then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreeter View Post
    Money talks, bs walks. That’s the old saying. Of course the movies influence the comics to the point where comic book stories are written as reading grounds for later films. The entire Hickman era is a reboot of the XMen so X-Men MCU can be fresh, while Fox XMen could only badly adapt Claremont’s 80s story.
    Movies don't or has never fully influenced comics, whenever they tried to do this they failed in the long run. this is not exclusive to Marvel, DC also experienced the same thing. DC does not bother with it anymore. keeping them separate has also factually helped to enrich the lore and deepen the universe. obviously this is not a thing with many MCU characters but it is true with other Marvel characters like Spiderman, Hulk and X-Men and for DC Batman and Superman

    The entire Hickman era is a reboot of the XMen so X-Men MCU can be fresh, while Fox XMen could only badly adapt Claremont’s 80s story.
    I doubt MCU X-Men can and will be fresh, X-Men is likely to follow the footsteps of a cross meeting between Black Panther and GOTG, a fresh movie was something like Logan or when X-Men 1 came out after Batman and Robin and this is not an xmen thing. Its a comic book genre thing.
    while Fox XMen could only badly adapt Claremont’s 80s story.
    I kind of wish this was almost true but the reality is different. Fox adapted Claremont 80s stories like God Loves, Man Kills and DOFP. Two very artistic driven movies that are so far above MCU cooperate fluff movies , so much to the point that when DOFP was put on Disney plus, people were blown away to see a marvel film that was not silly, constantly making jokes all the time or very immature like the rest of the MCU,

    DOFP was a good adaprtion an MCU adaption would have been badly conceived because MCU will take such a dark and compelling dramatic comic like DOFP and make it CGI action comedy fluff. that would have been a terrible xmen film adaption though good for the MCU.

    The people that always bring up Storm ties to Black Panther seems to be people who are bigger MCU fans , as most fans of xmen are well aware xmen was always more believable when they were separate from the main general marvel universe and even now that Disney has the rights, many still want a separate universe for xmen because their comics worked better in that concept.

    Its hyperbolic that you bring up Claremont 80s stories. You do know Claremont 80s stories were usually very stand alone away from other marvel stories at that time,so much to the point that he killed off Spiderman and Avengers in DOFP because he saw them as a hindrance and wanted xmen to solve their problems alone and it was because of Claremont that it now feels there are two marvel universe? interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Wedjat View Post
    This.

    Give Storm a love interest from the X-Men books.

    Give T'Challa a love interest from his own books.
    This is the only logical outcome not to mention the most realistic for long term courtship.

    Storm is black African/American, but she faces bigger hardship as a mutant in the MU. it is better if she has somebody that understands that more. If marvel was to dig deep , I am sure they can find a black mutant for her to date or create one.She used to have a thing with Forge, Forge was brown skin native American.

    T'Challa should date another character in his own book. I wonder why marvel or shall I say Disney does not seem very invested in richening and deepening other marvel series as they have done with X-Men and Spiderman to the point that neither spiderman and xmen need to be part of the marvel universe to succeed as a series.

    They need to do the same with the black panther universe instead of trying to attach it to another marvel universe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Wedjat View Post
    This.

    Give Storm a love interest from the X-Men books.

    Give T'Challa a love interest from his own books.
    Unfortunately, Chokes went and killed off Nakia, so I guess the next writer is gonna have to create another love interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Wedjat View Post
    This.

    Give Storm a love interest from the X-Men books.

    Give T'Challa a love interest from his own books.
    Or...just lay off the romance/relationship sub plot for a (good long) while.
    Let's give both Storm and T'Challa a much needed respite from the mess...at least until we get a good writer capable and invested and supported by editorial to write meaningful and interesting love interests for each in their respective franchises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackClaw View Post
    Unfortunately, Chokes went and killed off Nakia, so I guess the next writer is gonna have to create another love interest.
    I don't see why they can't have some small minor female character prop up and build up a romantic relationship with t'challa because this thing with storm is just dragging on for sales at this point because we know they're not going to actually get married or together again and storm isn't leaving krakoa any time soon either.

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