Resurrection Protocols for Clones

[TheMutantTheorist]

In Hellions #4 the Goblin Queen was killed, however, the resurrection protocols did not apply to her because she was a clone of Jean Grey. Why did the protocols not apply to her but were applied to other clones like the Stepford cuckoos? Not to mention the Von Strucker twins have shown up on Krakoa after they've been cloned as well. The invitation to Krakoa was extended to the Omega Clan but not Madelyne despite all being clones.
Does the quiet council pick and choose which clones they resurrect?
In my opinion, I think that clones should be applied to the resurrection process, they are their own person and have their own way of thinking. If Genesis (clone of Apocalypse) were to be killed, would he be resurrected?
Mutant Clones:
Madelyne Pryor (Goblin Queen)
The Omega Clan (Omega Red, Omega White, Omega Black)
Evan Sabahnur (Genesis)
Reignfire
Lady Fantomex
Dark Fantomex
Joseph
Xraven
The Stepford Cuckoos
Laura Kinney (Wolverine)
Gabby Kinney (Scout)
Bellona
Zelda
Unnamed X-23 clones
Stryfe
Adriana Soria (Princess)
X-Beast
Henry McCoy (Sinister Clone)
Varkis
Shogun
James Howlett (Sinister Clone)
Kouen
Cortex (Madrox Dupe)
John Maddox (Madrox Dupe)
Kurt Wagner (Sinister Clone)
Namorita Prentiss
Ororo Munroe (Sinister Clone)
Revenant Storm
Robert Drake (Sinister Clone)
Scott Summers (Inhuman Clone)
Warren Worthington III (Clone)
Death-Flight
Alice hayes (Clone)
N2

How would alternate reality duplicates be treated?
Vampire Strom was killed on Earth-616 so will she be resurrected? X-Man is another reality duplicate and Blink has a duplicate running around as well.

[Digifiend]

Laura isn't a clone. She's basically an IVF baby, created by Sarah Kinney using Logan's DNA without his knowledge. Sarah's bosses wanted a full clone, but the DNA sample was damaged, so she added her own and then made herself pregnant - the result is a natural born child with similar powers to Logan, but who is female and physically looks like Sarah.

[jwatson]

Not sure about the rest but what sets Maddie apart is what gave her life was jeans soul her first words were scott a man jean loved. So in that sense wouldn't she still be an inanimate object if she isn't given a bit of jeans soul. The rest don't really have that kind of conflict as far as I know. Gabbie may be a clone but all her memories are her own.

Oh and the cuckoo's are clones of Emma and all five are back now so there is examples of cones being resurrected. But again they don't have Emma's memories or her soul. They were made from her eggs.

[Ikari]

In the other thread I brought up a possibility of resurrecting Illyana Rasputin - the kid version who died in Legacy virus - on the grounds that she was a different person to Illyana who is around now. Prevailing opinion was that she would be counted as a 'clone' and not brought back. Though I suppose technically she was an alternative reality version.
Any way, as the definition of 'clone' and 'duplicate' is quite muddled and vague, any rule governing it is too by definition. Personally I'm puzzled at the interpretation that Madelyne counts as a clone but Cuckoos do not, even though their histories are practically identical. And I mean, if they bring Esme and Sophie back, then why not ALL the Cuckoos - there were hundreds.

In fact, Madelyne was not even genetically identical to Jean -she never had an X-gene. Why was not that brought up instead of 'clone' thing? Or did she became a mutant at some point?

[Alex.]

Personally I'm puzzled at the interpretation that Madelyne counts as a clone but Cuckoos do not, even though their histories are practically identical. And I mean, if they bring Esme and Sophie back, then why not ALL the Cuckoos - there were hundreds.

Maddie is an intereting case. At the end of Inferno Jean took maddie's memories. The Maddie taht's been wandering around is something broght by X-man|an AU Jean. We don't know who she is in fact.

As for the Cuckoos, IDK. Their powers are kind of different from Emma, and they were made of her eggs. Maybe they're not exactly clones of Emma (but of each other), since they show some feautures that Emma dosn't have and that includes being able to use telepathy while in diamond form. As for the thousand-in-one, I'm not sure those count since I don't believe they had a personality. To me they're just shells without something inside, just like those Kitty Prides eggs that were made in Marauders. This is an interesting topic to discuss.

[Askani's Flame]

Maddie is an intereting case. At the end of Inferno Jean took maddie's memories. The Maddie taht's been wandering around is something broght by X-man|an AU Jean. We don't know who she is in fact.

As for the Cuckoos, IDK. Their powers are kind of different from Emma, and they were made of her eggs. Maybe they're not exactly clones of Emma (but of each other), since they show some feautures that Emma dosn't have and that includes being able to use telepathy while in diamond form. As for the thousand-in-one, I'm not sure those count since I don't believe they had a personality. To me they're just shells without something inside, just like those Kitty Prides eggs that were made in Marauders. This is an interesting topic to discuss.

I'd say that the Cuckoos are clones, but not of Emma. When her eggs were harvested and played with, one "perfect" embryo was created to which then the Weapon program cloned thousands of that embryo. So they are clones but not in the sense of what is being discussed with Maddie. Hence why they have similar but different abilities than Emma.

[Ikari]

Maddie is an intereting case. At the end of Inferno Jean took maddie's memories. The Maddie taht's been wandering around is something broght by X-man|an AU Jean. We don't know who she is in fact.

Okay, I haven't read those. Did the new Maddie have powers? Original Madelyne, who died in Inferno, was not a mutant - or a mutate - that was made absolutely clear. Her powers were part of the Phoenix Force.

As for the Cuckoos, IDK. Their powers are kind of different from Emma, and they were made of her eggs. Maybe they're not exactly clones of Emma (but of each other), since they show some feautures that Emma dosn't have and that includes being able to use telepathy while in diamond form. As for the thousand-in-one, I'm not sure those count since I don't believe they had a personality. To me they're just shells without something inside, just like those Kitty Prides eggs that were made in Marauders. This is an interesting topic to discuss.

Cuckoos were made from Emma, but I don't believe they are identical to her. I am sure Emma would have noticed "Hmm, these girls look exactly like me when I was younger". Also Emma had a nose job done in her teens. Girls don't look like they need one.

Any way, if the 'no clones' argument applies to Madelyne and Illyana, then it should also apply on Sophie and Esme who are indisputably clones.

[jwatson]

In the other thread I brought up a possibility of resurrecting Illyana Rasputin - the kid version who died in Legacy virus - on the grounds that she was a different person to Illyana who is around now. Prevailing opinion was that she would be counted as a 'clone' and not brought back. Though I suppose technically she was an alternative reality version.
Any way, as the definition of 'clone' and 'duplicate' is quite muddled and vague, any rule governing it is too by definition. Personally I'm puzzled at the interpretation that Madelyne counts as a clone but Cuckoos do not, even though their histories are practically identical. And I mean, if they bring Esme and Sophie back, then why not ALL the Cuckoos - there were hundreds.

In fact, Madelyne was not even genetically identical to Jean -she never had an X-gene. Why was not that brought up instead of 'clone' thing? Or did she became a mutant at some point?

What Makes maddie different and a true clone for me is the fact that she had no life until a piece of Jean's soul gave it to her. I think in the sense of a clone maddie is probably the truest thing to a clone there ever has been. She is an exact duplicate of Jean but unlike other "clones" she exhibited no forms of life until the soul of the original allowed her to come to life. I guess one could also say what happened to Jean is also the exact process of the resurrection protocols. Maddie was a shell of Jean until a piece of jean's id found what it thought was it's body. Out of all the bodies in existence it chose that one. Which shows a tie between id and body at least for mutants.

Also in Hellions it was heavily implied maddie is a mutant and i think it was lowkey confirmed by asking the council to bring her back which was denied. The resurrection process is for mutants so on some level maddie became one.

[Lady Midnight]

Emma would always insist that the Cuckoos be brought back, Wolverine and Dakken would argue for Laura and Gabby, it appears that nobody really wants Maddie or Joseph back. According to hints dropped in solicitations spoilers:

The point might become moot anyway

end of spoilers

[Dthirds3]

Laura isn't a clone. She's basically an IVF baby, created by Sarah Kinney using Logan's DNA without his knowledge. Sarah's bosses wanted a full clone, but the DNA sample was damaged, so she added her own and then made herself pregnant - the result is a natural born child with similar powers to Logan, but who is female and physically looks like Sarah.

No she isnt, Taylor clarified on twitter she's still a clone just with saras dna in her. Marvel was trying to be cute and have it so you could caller her his clone and daughter but return forced all of that in to two panels.

Also shw never impregnated her self, that was Zander rice forcing her to carry laura to term because he's a dick

[Woozie]

No she isnt, Taylor clarified on twitter she's still a clone just with saras dna in her. Marvel was trying to be cute and have it so you could caller her his clone and daughter but return forced all of that in to two panels.

Also shw never impregnated her self, that was Zander rice forcing her to carry laura to term because he's a dick

This explanation is some nonsense from someone who clearly doesn't understand biology

[Jackraow21]

This explanation is some nonsense from someone who clearly doesn't understand biology

Yeah... when you combine the DNA of more than one person, it’s not really a clone. She was created in an attempt to clone Logan, but in actuality she is truly more of a daughter biologically.

[Dthirds3]

Yeah... when you combine the DNA of more than one person, it’s not really a clone. She was created in an attempt to clone Logan, but in actuality she is truly more of a daughter biologically.

The only time this was referenced by mavel was in a article leading up to dissambled where it stated she was trying to figure out how the hell it makes sence and why did no one bring this up before hand. Marvel was teying to be cute/jame what was probably a arc for ANW that was cut for return of wolverine and just forgot about it.

Also why are we apling real wold sicnece to comics now

[TheMutantTheorist]

Laura isn't a clone. She's basically an IVF baby, created by Sarah Kinney using Logan's DNA without his knowledge. Sarah's bosses wanted a full clone, but the DNA sample was damaged, so she added her own and then made herself pregnant - the result is a natural born child with similar powers to Logan, but who is female and physically looks like Sarah.

Ya, I was lowkey confused with Laura because I remember that happening but I wasn't sure if it was touched upon again. This makes me think about other characters that have received mutant DNA, are they considered artificial mutants? cuz if they got an x-gene then wouldn't that make them mutants artificial or not?
I'm not talking about Deadpool tho even tho his healing factor came from Wolverine. It's been confirmed he's just a human mutate.
The only characters that come to mind right away are Tiger Shark (Namor) and Weapon H (Wolverine). You can argue that they arent mutants but sinister became a mutant through the same way.

[Nazrel]

Ya, I was lowkey confused with Laura because I remember that happening but I wasn't sure if it was touched upon again. This makes me think about other characters that have received mutant DNA, are they considered artificial mutants? cuz if they got an x-gene then wouldn't that make them mutants artificial or not?
I'm not talking about Deadpool tho even tho his healing factor came from Wolverine. It's been confirmed he's just a human mutate.
The only characters that come to mind right away are Tiger Shark (Namor) and Weapon H (Wolverine). You can argue that they arent mutants but sinister became a mutant through the same way.

It's not been touched on.

In the original story she duplicated the X chromosome for the explicit purpose of bypassing the genetic damage of the sample they were working with while still keeping her a genetic duplicate of Logan; then in Adamantium Agenda, Tony Stark said she had some of her mothers genetic material in her, because he saw her genetic code for a fraction of a second; this has not been explained or followed up on, it remains an unmoored declaration.