Can the Xmen still be a metaphor for discrimination when pretty much all theirs

[skyvolt2000]

Buuuut how many of those books are about chars who are the seen as 'other' and fight the good fight while being discriminated against?
I don't see how it's not living up to the civil Rights it's obviously more minority representation (esp black dudes) needs to happen But the X-Men were founded to protect/fight for the basic human rights/dignity of a marginalized people. Preeetty sure that's still the case

So where are all the black male mutants at? Cerebro can't find them? The few who are around can do more than get nerfed, turn evil or get killed off?

And why does this franchise take shot after shot at Wakanda? Wakandans are black.

[Huntsman Spider]

So where are all the black male mutants at? Cerebro can't find them? The few who are around can do more than get nerfed, turn evil or get killed off?

And why does this franchise take shot after shot at Wakanda? Wakandans are black.

Yeah, I'm still disappointed, to say the very least, about how Bishop was done in Messiah Complex and its aftermath.

[Hizashi]

Buuuut how many of those books are about chars who are the seen as 'other' and fight the good fight while being discriminated against?
I don't see how it's not living up to the civil Rights it's obviously more minority representation (esp black dudes) needs to happen But the X-Men were founded to protect/fight for the basic human rights/dignity of a marginalized people. Preeetty sure that's still the case

Is it though? Krakoa is leaning way more into high sci-fi/fantasy - the minority metaphor is taking a back seat.

If anything, this should make it clear that the X-Men shouldn't laser-focus on a single metaphorical interpretation.

[Devaishwarya]

Then...It's a good thing they don't.

[BroHomo]

So where are all the black male mutants at? Cerebro can't find them? The few who are around can do more than get nerfed, turn evil or get killed off?.

I meeeean I dont know. its a bad look thats for sure. but Xmen are still the best bet for a good Fvck discrimination stories

And why does this franchise take shot after shot at Wakanda? Wakandans are black.

Does it?

Is it though? Krakoa is leaning way more into high sci-fi/fantasy - the minority metaphor is taking a back seat.

How ? its a story about minorities not taking any sh!t and getting their own place in peace.

[Hizashi]

Then...It's a good thing they don't.

There are some arguing that they should in this thread.

[Hizashi]

How ? its a story about minorities not taking any sh!t and getting their own place in peace.

Only on the surface level. Hickman is clearly more preoccupied in other narrative avenues; currently, the X-books are tied up in a 22-part interdimensional conflict that takes the whole "no more death" idea and tosses it out by introducing super-death.

[Zelena]

How ? I consider it’s a story about minorities not taking any sh!t and getting their own place in peace.

I don’t consider it’s a story about minorities not taking any sh!t and getting their own place in peace.

[BroHomo]

I don’t consider it’s a story about minorities not taking any sh!t and getting their own place in peace.

Are you even reading it?

[Kingdom X]

Only on the surface level. Hickman is clearly more preoccupied in other narrative avenues; currently, the X-books are tied up in a 22-part interdimensional conflict that takes the whole "no more death" idea and tosses it out by introducing super-death.

I agree. I think the minority empowerment angle was more of a jumping off point for a pretty sci-fi/ fantasy focused run (with some political intrigue in the mix). Then again, we’re still only 12 issues into the main title so I could easily be proven wrong.

[Devaishwarya]

The X-Men mythos is not directly and specifically about race, ethnicity, sexuality and other minority discrimination issues.
First and foremost it's high-fantasy story-telling in the imaginative world/genre of superheroes....just "framed in the context of" minority (read Mutant) discrimination. The writers (from Claremont to HiX-Man) have and always will put the fantasy/adventure stories first and if they feel so inclined, touch on actual discrimination themes in-story.

As with all things...time plays a major factor, and the X-Offices have clearly moved to be more representative of the world today with respect to visual inclusivity. But...

With regards to the metaphor, I read HiX-Man's Krakoa Era as a direct response by mutants towards a world that has only just recently sought their eradication (ie. discrimination...for the umpteenth time) ...only from the perspective and context of "What will a minority group do when given to opportunity and power to rise up and progress beyond their circumstance and...How will their oppressors react/respond in the face of that defiance." (Which can be interpreted as very loosely akin to the "Tulsa Race Massacre"...ie "wealthy, thriving minority community attacked and decimated for...reasons".)

It may not be the discrimination stories some of you want or expect to read (It never was, it will never be, not in its entirety) but it is still story/stories about hate and discrimination on many levels, both superficial and deep.

[Devaishwarya]

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[Zelena]

Are you even reading it?

The X-men saga isn’t just Hickman’s run…

[BroHomo]

The X-men saga isn’t just Hickman’s run…

Soooo that's a NO

[Killerbee911]

The X-Men mythos is not directly and specifically about race, ethnicity, sexuality and other real world minority discrimination issues.
First and foremost it's high-fantasy story-telling in the imaginative world/genre of superheroes....just "framed in the context of" minority (read Mutant) discrimination. The writers (from Claremont to HiX-Man) have and always will put the fantasy/adventure stories first and if they feel so inclined, touch on actual discrimination themes in-story.

As with all things...time plays a major factor, and the X-Offices have clearly moved to be more representative of the world today with respect to visual inclusivity. But...they still have a ways to go.

With regards to the metaphor, I read HiX-Man's Krakoa Era as a direct response by mutants towards a world that has only just recently sought their eradication (ie. discrimination...for the umpteenth time) ...only from the perspective and context of "What will a minority group do when given to opportunity and power to rise up and progress beyond their circumstance and...How will their oppressors react/respond in the face of that defiance." (Which can be interpreted as very loosely akin to the "Tulsa Race Massacre"...ie "wealthy, thriving minority community attacked and decimated for...reasons".)

It may not be the "discrimination stories" some of you want or expect to read (It never was, it will never be, not in its entirety) but it is still story/stories about hate and discrimination on many levels, both superficial and deep.

I honestly think some of the guys here would say to Jews "Israel is a bad idea, You guys need to stay in Germany and learn how to coexist with the Germans during ww2". Obviously, it is not one a one to comparison they are some reaches in it but it clearly highlights the point that needs to be made from time to time here.

Some people are so in love with the fantasy of what the x-men represent that they ignore what is happening in the world and ignore that the real cost to certain things happening. One man got killed by police in real life(yes they are more factors and other events that fuel it) and Black people around the world protested injustice. But Inside a fantasy world where they pass laws to sterilize them as people and people were getting pick up by the US government for being a mutant some people are shocked that Mutants go "Nah we are going just chill on this island where we are safer". And oh yeah the island has been attacked /invaded three times by humans, Nevermind that this world Russia and Brazil have active policies against mutants.