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    Reading further it's interesting that RAIDERS didn't do great in Japan, possibly because the marketing focused on the Spielberg/Lucas colloboration, with one of the posters largely featuring a B & W picture of them on set while pics from the actual movie were pushed to the side and much tinier.

    Also interesting that in some way's Lucas's notes/rewrites of some parts of Kasdan's version actually improved things a bit, with him eventually making the Emperor/Vader less adversarial to each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisIII View Post
    Also interesting that in some way's Lucas's notes/rewrites of some parts of Kasdan's version actually improved things a bit, with him eventually making the Emperor/Vader less adversarial to each other.
    Not sure why it's interesting. Lucas happens to be a better writer than Kasdan, in terms of story and plot and character arcs, which was always, and I mean always, Lucas' decision across all the OT.

    Kasdan never once had a say in creating a character, in naming the character, and in making a decision on actual character arcs, i.e. how they grew, what was Point A and Point B and so on. He was only ever a script doctor who touched up dialogue and stuff.

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    Some of Lucas's dialogue actually seems to be an improvement on Kasdan's, oddly enough (although a lot of Lucas's dialogue in the original ROTJ drafts was awful and makes the prequels's dialogue look good in comparison). Particuarly the Emperor stuff. Looks like he's often better writing for the villains it seems, since they require more cliched dialogue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisIII View Post
    Some of Lucas's dialogue actually seems to be an improvement on Kasdan's, oddly enough (although a lot of Lucas's dialogue in the original ROTJ drafts was awful and makes the prequels's dialogue look good in comparison). Particuarly the Emperor stuff. Looks like he's often better writing for the villains it seems, since they require more cliched dialogue.
    I always did think that Palpatine was the character that Lucas often saw as his own counterpart. Palpatine is the overlord, the arch-manipulator, the one who is behind all the plots and stories, so that makes him analogous to the director and storyteller. Especially in the prequels with the way Palpatine is manipulating Vader with speeches which is not far from a director giving actors their motivations or narrating their story.

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    Kind of interesting they went with an older actor for Palpatine at first but he withdrew due to illness.


    Alan Rickman almost got cast as Jerjorodd as well. This was before he was a big name thanks to DIE HARD-he was mainly a Shakespearean stage and TV actor at this point. He actually would've probably fit the Jerjorodd in the earlier drafts better; a rival of Vader for the Emperor's favor....and of course REBELS eventually had a droid who was clearly a tribute to Rickman.
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    Finished reading it. Kind of interesting that many scenes had "hand doubles"-such as when Leia reveals she has her blaster ready after getting wounded.

    Also that the close up picture of the frog-thing outside of Jabba's palace was actually an alternate shot that was considered.

    There's also more context to the deleted Jerjorodd/using the Death Star on Endor scenes, with Lando and Wedge noticing what the Empire's up to.

    It's interesting how post-production was very kind of hectic and had the added complication of Lucas going through his divorce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    I always did think that Palpatine was the character that Lucas often saw as his own counterpart. Palpatine is the overlord, the arch-manipulator, the one who is behind all the plots and stories, so that makes him analogous to the director and storyteller. Especially in the prequels with the way Palpatine is manipulating Vader with speeches which is not far from a director giving actors their motivations or narrating their story.
    LOL don't know that Lucas ever saw himself as Palpatine? You might be projecting.
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    One thing I've really enjoyed about the book is Mark Hammil's insight into pop culture/mythology/film/Star Wars in general etc. No wonder he kind of clashed a bit with TLJ's depiction of Luke.
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