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    Quote Originally Posted by Nazrel View Post
    Though her backstory is dark, she's kinda of the opposite of edgy; her character trajectory has been an optimistic "you can be better then they made you to be" sort of thing.
    While that may be the case, having an optimistic trajectory doesn't mean the character isn't edgy. Avengers Arena and X-Force are all "present day," and many of her stories have tended towards darker themes. In fact her story didn't really begin to lighten up until post-Secret Wars.

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    Edgy as in created by a marketing team for maximum trendiness, Adam X.

    Edgy as in actually avant garde, maybe Shade/Darkveil or Madin.

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    It really is all about dialogue.
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    Any answer you give will expire once Donny Cates makes his own mutant OC.

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    Whenever we figure it out, all rights to the character should be sold and never spoken of again.
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    Laura, Surge and Domino are definitely some of the edgiest characters but given their tragic and trauma filled backstory it makes sense. Although writers never bothered to flesh out Noriko having some optimism and trying to overcome her past the way they did with Laura.

    Character that are gratuitously edgy are kid cable. julian heller, quentin quire, the stepford cuckoos, all of the original hellions and gordon.

    David Haller gets an honorable mention because writers feel he has to be edgy because he's mentally ill and has dissociative identity disorder.

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    Wolverine? Kinda?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Evans View Post
    Marrow aka Sarah.
    Despite being a character from the 90's, who has bone blades growing out of her body and was given a dark backstory, she seems somewhat left out when it comes to many people's ideas of an "edgy" X-men character.

    Maybe it's because she is a c-lister so she isn't on many readers' mind.

    Perhaps it's because her powers were never presented as "dark" and/or "cool". Instead the intention was more along the line of freakish and repulsive, which admittedly was also popular in the 90's but doesn't necessarily fit "edgy". Same with her overall original design. No suprise given that she was meant to die for real against Storm and not become a regular character.
    Even the redesign by Joe Mad was more geared towards making her appear more human looking than cool. Though looking "tougher" might fit into that intention.

    Also while she was put on the X-men via editorial mandate, she wasn't pushed as much as some other characters that writers and editors have tried to make "a thing" over the years. In retrospective it seems that often writers were more trying to find something for her to do, than trying to push her to the front.
    She didn't even got the obligotary "beats Wolverine in a fight" moment, instead he beat her twice in the same issue with little effort (she sucker punches him after the first and he almost kills her for it). It's a nice moment for Wolverine fans though.
    Meanwhile i can allready guess what Solem will do in the first two appearances of his.
    While on the X-men she seems much more used to be part of other character's story than being a focus herself. Bouncing between Cecilia Reyes, Cannonabll, Storm, Gambit and Collosus than truely building her own identity and story in it. Instead having a rather shallow focus on "appearance issues".

    Finaly while her backstory is certainly dark, the part that made her a messed up person never seems to have carried much potential for getting revisited or giving her a push as character.
    Likely because The Hill is so detached from the Marvel Universe or real life places that it can't resonate well with either. While the mutants on it and Gene Nation as large faction were dismantled almost right away with Storm's mini series. Leaving little to ever get revisited there and therefor making her history unimportant.
    No stories of horrible life on the street or being a child soldier in a war torn country. No raised in the famous hellish magic dimension of Limbo or being part of a secret weapon experiment.
    Just a one time used pocket dimension where a crazed russian astronaut teleported her and some other nameless morlocks to keep fighting each other for a powerfull army. All which turned out weaker than any X-men or their trainees.

    Though ironicaly The Hill wouldn't look so out of place in Dawn of X.

    Overall. Marrow seems much more associated with the "weird powered" aspect of the x-men comics ala Skin, Chamber, Shark Girl, Eye Boy, Glob and more, than being presented as "cool and edgy" even though her backstory could have offered it.
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    Gotta be Adam X.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frostedemma View Post
    Laura, Surge and Domino are definitely some of the edgiest characters but given their tragic and trauma filled backstory it makes sense. Although writers never bothered to flesh out Noriko having some optimism and trying to overcome her past the way they did with Laura.

    Character that are gratuitously edgy are kid cable. julian heller, quentin quire, the stepford cuckoos, all of the original hellions and gordon.

    David Haller gets an honorable mention because writers feel he has to be edgy because he's mentally ill and has dissociative identity disorder.

    Quentin Quire tries to be an edgelord but he comes off as corny.
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    The Hellfire brats:



    Especially Kade Kilgore


    Like we get it, daddy didn't love you. Go make a tumblr blog about it instead of forming an annoying villain team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OopsIdiditagain View Post
    The Hellfire brats
    Quote Originally Posted by The General, JLA #38
    'Why?' Just to see the disappointment on your corn-fed, gee-whiz face, Superman. And because a great dark voice on the edge of nothing spoke to me and said you all had to die. There is no 'Why?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunty View Post
    Despite being a character from the 90's, who has bone blades growing out of her body and was given a dark backstory, she seems somewhat left out when it comes to many people's ideas of an "edgy" X-men character.

    Maybe it's because she is a c-lister so she isn't on many readers' mind.

    Perhaps it's because her powers were never presented as "dark" and/or "cool". Instead the intention was more along the line of freakish and repulsive, which admittedly was also popular in the 90's but doesn't necessarily fit "edgy". Same with her overall original design. No suprise given that she was meant to die for real against Storm and not become a regular character.
    Even the redesign by Joe Mad was more geared towards making her appear more human looking than cool. Though looking "tougher" might fit into that intention.

    Also while she was put on the X-men via editorial mandate, she wasn't pushed as much as some other characters that writers and editors have tried to make "a thing" over the years. In retrospective it seems that often writers were more trying to find something for her to do, than trying to push her to the front.
    She didn't even got the obligotary "beats Wolverine in a fight" moment, instead he beat her twice in the same issue with little effort (she sucker punches him after the first and he almost kills her for it). It's a nice moment for Wolverine fans though.
    Meanwhile i can allready guess what Solem will do in the first two appearances of his.
    While on the X-men she seems much more used to be part of other character's story than being a focus herself. Bouncing between Cecilia Reyes, Cannonabll, Storm, Gambit and Collosus than truely building her own identity and story in it. Instead having a rather shallow focus on "appearance issues".

    Finaly while her backstory is certainly dark, the part that made her a messed up person never seems to have carried much potential for getting revisited or giving her a push as character.
    Likely because The Hill is so detached from the Marvel Universe or real life places that it can't resonate well with either. While the mutants on it and Gene Nation as large faction were dismantled almost right away with Storm's mini series. Leaving little to ever get revisited there and therefor making her history unimportant.
    No stories of horrible life on the street or being a child soldier in a war torn country. No raised in the famous hellish magic dimension of Limbo or being part of a secret weapon experiment.
    Just a one time used pocket dimension where a crazed russian astronaut teleported her and some other nameless morlocks to keep fighting each other for a powerfull army. All which turned out weaker than any X-men or their trainees.

    Though ironicaly The Hill wouldn't look so out of place in Dawn of X.

    Overall. Marrow seems much more associated with the "weird powered" aspect of the x-men comics ala Skin, Chamber, Shark Girl, Eye Boy, Glob and more, than being presented as "cool and edgy" even though her backstory could have offered it.
    She and Gene Nation also massacred an entire dance club of innocent people.

    Also, later on, she was pregnant after she lost powers after M-Day. But lost the baby when she received temporary powers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Evans View Post
    She and Gene Nation also massacred an entire dance club of innocent people.

    Also, later on, she was pregnant after she lost powers after M-Day. But lost the baby when she received temporary powers

    I can imagine it's hard to write a miscarriage or any other heavy topic without coming off as edgy. Unless the writer has experience or researched deeply on the topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Evans View Post
    She and Gene Nation also massacred an entire dance club of innocent people.
    There were at least 2 more such actions before Storm put her down from what i remember. Modern Batman villian writing 101. "Look they are new and they are evil!" It's also something which in my opinion the writers failed at having her face and seek redemption for once she joined the X-men.

    Quote Originally Posted by Will Evans View Post
    Also, later on, she was pregnant after she lost powers after M-Day. But lost the baby when she received temporary powers
    As much as i respect Si Spurrier's writing and have enjoyed several of his comics (The Spire being one of my favorits), i think what he did with her in his X-force run did nothing good for the character (even though he greatly expanded the quality of what her powers can do). Just adding on the messy characterization she has suffered from over the decades. Also the power restoration was permanent. Though it technicaly makes her a mutate.

    Overall i admit that's two points for the "edgy" category. But what i wrote was more that she doesn't seem to be associated much with that type of character despite the obvious traits. Possibly because of the reasons mentioned. Obscurity, lack of dedicated push, not meant to be cool, weak backstory follow up and stronger association with the "weird" than "edgy" category of marvel mutants and so on.
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