Introduce the X-Men to the MCU

[OblivionX33]

So, because certain MCU films and TV projects haven't been as good as their previous outings, that means they won't do right by the X-men? Did the Infinity War Saga, No Way Home, Black Panther, and GOTG Vol. 3 not count for anything? It's all been bad? No, it has not been.

This is a growing-pain period after the huge pandemic, with lots of changes that still need to be addressed (internal and external) at Marvel Studios. I can't imagine Feige and his staff loving how things are from a writing, budgeting, plotting, and VFX standpoint. And I think they will turn it around.


Also, everything hasn't been as horrible as people make it out to be (much of that angst is coming from the jilted spoiler/leaker obsessed community surrounding comic book adaptations), despite the 180-degree mindset change of said individuals. The MCU is going to do its take on the X-Men regardless of that contingent's overly pessimistic viewpoint. It's all silly, as you've got people that think the MCU has "wasted" the X-Men when it hasn't been that long since 2019—less than four years ago. A year before the aforementioned pandemic and not long after the big Endgame finish. Shoot, Dark Phoenix came out in 2019 and New Mutants in 2020. I think it's better for them to take their time personally, and hopefully, this secret invasion TV prequel lays the groundwork for the all important "humans vs. other" sentiment that needs to start manifesting itself. For it to be taken seriously enough to force our beloved mutants to both come to terms with it and face off against it.

Personally, I would have liked the Eternals movie to have set up the origins of the X-gene (like in the comics), but it didn't, and I'll always find that an odd direction. But again, a lot of stuff was shifted or cut during that return to normalcy. Overall, I believe that's a film that should have been pushed, not released, in the multiverse era. And yes, Kamala Khan being a mutant is weird. Though I'd mark that up as a result of the InHumans being tainted.

[mace11]

Look at box office. Other than Spider-man: No Way Home, which did huge numbers in the middle of a pandemic; substantial declines from the previous installments.

Actually, Guardians 3 not as substantial of a decline. To be fair. My main point being, however, Marvel took some lessons from NWH’s massive success. And they know Jackman’s Wolverine will bring that pop of excitement they seem to be missing with most of their newer content, including their Dis+ releases.

Phase 4 was never going to make has much money on average has phase 3.Here are some reasons. It's almost really starting over phase,there are alot new heroes,new story arc set-up,plus china was out of the picture for awhile and it box-office needs to be build back up and there is russia out the picture now and viewer habits of change because of covid. It has less movies then phase 3 and that phase had two avengers films.

Doctor strange 2 made more money doctoir strange 1.
Black widow came out during the height of covid and it was on disney plus and the big screen and no china.
Eternals around same time and shang chi,plus they were new to mcu and no china etc..
Thor love and thunder,no china and russia so it made less worldwide but made more money then thor 1 and 2.
Domestically it made more then pass thor films however.


Phase 4 made more money then phase 1 and 2 and i think it will make more on average then phase 5.
Phase 6 has two avengers films so think that phase will make more on average then most past phase,but not 3.


This was posted the box office thread to make more of the point above.

For example.
Did Black Panther 2 Underperform? New Profit Numbers Revealed

The Wakandan epic did good numbers at the box office, earning $454 million domestically and $389 million internationally. Those totals put the film at a final worldwide gross of $859 million USD with Disney taking home just over half that at $450 million.

This $859 million worldwide number puts the film roughly $500 million behind Black Panther's $1.382 billion total from 2018.

Black Panther 2 also brought in an additional $155 million in home entertainment revenue and another $170 million from TV/streaming.
That all means, when all was said and done, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever generated a total of $750 million, but did it turn a profit?
Factoring production costs ($200 million), print and advertising ($140 million), video costs ($55 million), residuals ($30 million), interest and overhead ($36 million), and participations ($30 million), Black Panther 2 cost $491 million to make, advertise, and distribute.

That means, when all was said and done, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ended up turning an estimated profit of $259 million.

This is significantly less than the $476.8 million profit mark set by the original Black Panther film. However, one has to remind themselves that Wakanda Forever was released into a theatrical environment that is recovering after years of the global COVID-19 pandemic.

Another variable here is the significant lack of a Chinese release for the film. Wakanda Forever only recently started playing in the Chinese market, something that accounted for $105 million of Black Panther's original worldwide box office total.

When compared to 2022's Thor: Love and Thunder, Wakanda Forever fared much better, more than doubling Love and Thunder's take-home profit of $103 million.

Was Black Panther 2 a Success?
So, with all that data, was Black Panther: Wakanda Forever actually a success for Disney and Marvel Studios? The simple answer is, yes.
Ryan Coogler's Wakanda sequel was a worthy endeavor, getting into the black by quite a bit.

Sure, it may have underperformed when compared to its predecessor in Black Panther, but that is a lofty bar to strive for, especially given the circumstances under which Wakanda Forever was made and released.

One has to remember the first Black Panther film was a cultural phenomenon, as Marvel Studios built anticipation for the (then) imminent Avengers: Infinity War. The 2018 film currently sits as the 15th biggest box office hit of all time, and — while its sequel had the chance to get up there — it was never already starting from behind given the state of the theatrical business.

https://thedirect.com/article/black-...profit-numbers

The Infinity Saga

Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase One
Total (6 films): $3.813 billion

Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Two
Box office Total (6 films): $5.269 billion

Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Three
Box office Total (11 films): $13.505 billion

The Multiverse Saga

Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Four
Box office Total (7 films): $5.712 billion


Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Five
Box office Total (2 films): $1.298 billion

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As for phase 4.

Marvel Cinematic Universe Phase Four

In late June 2022, Feige indicated that Phase Four was nearing its conclusion, stating audiences would begin to see where the next saga of the MCU would be heading, and that there had been many clues in the phase to what that would be. He said Marvel Studios would be a "little more direct" on their future plans in the following months to provide audiences with "the bigger picture [so they] can see a tiny, tiny bit more of the roadmap". At Marvel Studios' San Diego Comic-Con panel in July, Feige announced that Wakanda Forever would conclude Phase Four, with other films and Disney+ series believed to be part of the phase moving to Phase Five and Phase Six. He also announced that Phase Four would be the first phase, along with Phases Five and Six, of The Multiverse Saga. Feige stated that many of the projects in Phases Four and Five, and their post-credit teases, would connect and lead towards the conclusion of The Multiverse Saga, while some would remain standalone. James Gunn, the writer and director of the Guardians of the Galaxy films, said that The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special was the epilogue of Phase Four. At the 2022 D23 Expo, Marvel confirmed the Halloween special as Werewolf by Night. At that time, Werewolf by Night and The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special were revealed to be marketed as "Marvel Studios Special Presentations".
Accolades
The films of the phase have been nominated for two Academy Awards, twelve MTV Movie & TV Awards (winning three), and nine Visual Effects Society Awards (winning one), among others. The television series' of the phase have been nominated for 14 Critics' Choice Super Awards (winning four), three Golden Reel Awards, twelve MTV Movie & TV Awards (winning eight),and 10 Visual Effects Society Awards (winning one), among others.

Source wikipedia


The mcu movies may have a decline from phase 3(because phase 3 Has made more money )but phase 4 clearly made more money then phase 1 and 2 and the rt audiences scores are higher but cinemascore are not,so that tricky one but most phase 4 movies still got A cinemascores.
Now critics thought phase 1,2 and 3 were better looking at the rt scores but most audiences thought phase 4 was better looking at the rt scores.
In fact most thought the shows were stronger then movies and even stronger then phase mcu movies in other phases looking at average score and rt scores combined.
Phase 4 is the most creative phase so far as well.
Now if you combined the phase 4 movies and shows rt scores and average scores critics and audience in real like think phase 4 is strongest phase so far.


Overall mcu quality has gone up IN PHASE 4 .
Anybody remember ironfist and inhumans for example?
Those are mcu.
Remember those shows for alot of follks were still thought to be canon when phase 2,3 were happening.
Let's keep mind helstrom was shown on hulu when phase 3 was out.Look at those critic scores and audience scores.

Helstrom (TV series)

Helstrom is an American television series created by Paul Zbyszewski for the streaming service Hulu, based on the Marvel Comics characters Daimon and Satana Hellstrom. The series is produced by Marvel Television and ABC Signature Studios, with Zbyszewski serving as showrunner.

Tom Austen and Sydney Lemmon respectively star as Daimon and Ana Helstrom, the children of a powerful serial killer, who hunt the worst of humanity. Elizabeth Marvel, Robert Wisdom, June Carryl, Ariana Guerra, and Alain Uy also star. Helstrom was officially announced with a series order at Hulu in May 2019, planned as the first series in Marvel Television's Adventure into Fear franchise, which would exist within the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) but would not cross over with the films or other television series of the franchise. However, upon its release, Zbyszewski stated that Helstrom was not part of the MCU. Filming took place in Vancouver from October 2019 until March 2020. Oversight of the series was moved to Marvel Studios in December 2019 when Marvel Television was folded into that company.

Helstrom was released on Hulu on October 16, 2020, and consists of 10 episodes. It was met with largely negative reviews, feeling the characters and plot were uninteresting, though the series' visual effects were considered impressive. Helstrom was canceled on December 14, 2020.

For phase 4 it eternals that brought down so much on the average rt scores for critics.
Now if combined the mcu critic score with audience the phase 4 is seen to be strongerst so far overall.

Note-
Guardians of the galaxy 3 Rt score went up
RT 82%
Ant-man 3 RT score went down.
RT 46%



The ones who are saying the mcu is in decline are those in the loud minority on the internet. You know the ones who say star wars is decline and clearly it's not,compared to prequels.It's clear as well that disney star wars has higher scores on average and made more money.
Even if mcu had a decline(of course they did not) it's are still the best at what they do and that's having a shared universe and making superhero movies and shows.No one else comes close.

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This is from tv/film thread below.

THREAD: MARVEL PHASE 5 PROBLEM & CRITIQUE
For debate/talk go here.

https://community.cbr.com/showthread...critique/page6

[OblivionX33]

Even if mcu had a decline(of course they did not) is still are the best at what they do and that's having a shared universe and making superhero movies and shows.
No ones else comics close.

Agreed

Like, who else is going to be equip to take on the X-Men? Do some people just not want to see them on screen again? That would be asinine to have that as an opinion just because of the state of the current MCU isn't amazing year in and year out. We are in unprecedented territory and the circumstances weren't ideal. But there should be solace in the fact that the X-men adaption is a few years away, it's best for us to wait and for them to get back on track. Any huge MCU "decline" is being way overstated.

[mace11]

Edited above/below and i added some more comments above.

Even if mcu had a decline(of course they did not) it's still the best at what they do and that's having a shared universe and making superhero movies and shows.No one else comes close.

[Exodus]

I feel like the MCU is killing itself with all those multiverse movies. They have to stop it ASAP! I'm so bored by the multiverse by now.

[Exodus]

looks like they are going for CGI claws again. hope it turns out better than the last time they did it. lol

[Exodus]

What's wrong with this look?

damn, that's gorgeous!!!

[mace11]

Most of the phase 4 and 5 shows and movies are not even dealing with the multiverse but it will all come together down the road,just like most of the movies in phase,1,2 and 3 did not deal with thanos etc..but it all came together in the end.
Phase 4 is the after math of that etc..and other things.

Kevin Feige Reveals What Marvel's Phase 4 Is Really All About

Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige reveals that while previous MCU phases didn't always have a theme, the current Phase 4 definitely does.
Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige seems to have things all figured out when it comes to the future of these massively popular comic book movies. Well, at the very least, he's extremely adept at making it look like he has it all figured out. As a result, the Marvel Cinematic Universe (which now includes their new Disney Plus shows like The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and now the rather "out with a whimper" series Loki), has a pretty clearly defined future as it powers through its 4th phase of projects, and it turns out they'll be sharing a bit of a theme.
While the Marvel Cinematic Universe hasn't always been under the same leadership, it's always been divided into phases right from the start. From the first Iron Man in 2008 all the way to Avengers: Endgame and beyond, every phase begins with some standalone films and ends with a big ensemble blowout with quips and banter aplenty. Phase 4's main difference so far is that it launched via several TV shows before premiering its first movie (the prequel film Black Widow), but now that it's in full swing, things are ready to really begin.
In a recent interview with Rotten Tomatoes, Feige clarified what he believes is the overarching theme of the MCU's current phase. "Truthfully, Phase Four was always about continuing in new ways and new beginnings," he explained. "Even with films that seemingly are concluding storylines, there are new beginnings within them." After 3 phases largely revolving around the same core cast of characters with the occasional newbie joining the fray, focusing entirely on the new kids might be exactly what the MCU needs to keep things fresh going forward.
The thing is, Feige normally doesn't subscribe to the idea of phases among the Marvel movies. Sure, they're rather clearly defined and tend to be unavoidable when there are so many stories being told. After all, when these many characters come together, there has to be some kind of order to the chaos in order for any of it to make sense. But his focus seems to be more on the stories themselves rather than the bigger picture. Even so, he acknowledges the undeniable fact that these new upcoming films will share a common theme.
While there have been plenty of longer-running franchises out there, Marvel as a whole has all the others beat when it comes to the sheer volume of projects under its banner. To put it in perspective, imagine if every single James Bond movie ever made had come out in the span of just over a decade rather than the 60-year history it currently boasts. Even then, Marvel would quickly have it beat, with highly anticipated movies like Shang-Chi and similarly awaited shows like She-Hulk looming on the horizon.
Even though Marvel is pretty much as mainstream as it gets nowadays, it's still accomplished one heck of a feat (or several, if each phase is its own feat, because getting annoyingly technical is fun). Some might be experiencing some burnout on the series, but the idea of focusing almost entirely on new beginnings, as Feige said, might be exactly what the franchise needs to keep people interested. If not, then there's always Star Wars for those who'd rather complain about other things.
https://gamerant.com/kevin-feige-marvel-phase-4-theme/

Kevin Feige Says the Post-‘Avengers 4’ MCU May Be a “New Thing”, Not “Phase 4"
https://collider.com/marvel-phase-4-movies-kevin-feige/

KEVIN FEIGE BREAKS DOWN THE MCU'S PHASE 4 SO FAR: WANDAVISION, FALCON, LOKI, AND BLACK WIDOW
IN THIS EXCLUSIVE, THE PRESIDENT OF MARVEL STUDIOS REFLECTS ON HOW ENDGAME GAVE US HOPE IN THE PANDEMIC, THE EVOLUTION OF THE MCU ON DISNEY+, AND WHEN WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE KATHRYN HAHN AND FLORENCE PUGH BACK IN THIS UNIVERSE.
https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com...d-black-widow/

Kevin Feige Says Marvel Studios Phase 4 Is About New Beginnings

Marvel Studios' "Phase Four" lineup of original content is already drastically different from the three that preceded it in two major ways: 1. It's only slated to be about two years long rather than three or four; and 2. It expands beyond movies and includes Disney+ original shows. After multiple COVID-19 delays we're finally in the thick of their plans with three shows behind us and one movie in the wind, and Marvel Studios is keeping their "foot on the gas" as company head Kevin Feige says in a new interview. He also offered some perspective on the theme of Phase Four.
"You know the definition of phases often evolve with the phases and often I leave up to writers and journalists to decide, that's for the film historians to tell us what the phases were about," Feige told Rotten Tomatoes. "Truthfully Phase Four was always about continuing in new ways and new beginnings, even with films that seemingly are concluding storylines there are new beginnings within them and that was what was most exciting to us about the opportunity to make shows for Disney+, about all of us at Marvel Studios choosing to continue past Endgame and past Far From Home and leaving the Infinity Saga behind to a new beginning."
He continued, "That I think is what people will be looking at Phase Four, I hope, as having accomplished. But we're in the middle of it now so it remains to be seen, we don't take our foot off the gas, we don't take anything for granted, and we all work extremely hard to deliver."
The next two years on Marvel's schedule is absolutely stacked with the announced releases including: Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings on September 3, 2021, Eternals on November 5, 2021, Spider-Man: No Way Home on December 17, 2021, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness on March 25, 2022, Thor: Love and Thunder on May 6, 2022, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever on July 8, 2022, The Marvels on November 11, 2022, Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania on February 17, 2023, and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 on May 5, 2023.
Disney+ shows in the works from Marvel that will arrive over the next couple of years include the animated What If...? on August 11, 2021, Ms. Marvel and Hawkeye in late 2021, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Secret Invasion, and The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special in 2022, and Ironheart, Armor Wars, and the Untitled Wakanda series, which are without release windows.
https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/ke...ew-beginnings/

[Gnostic]

damn, that's gorgeous!!!

I know right? Seriously, what is wrong with that look for the Phoenix?

[Winter_fury]

That costume looks awful should’ve went with brown or x-force one

[Galerion]

Since it's Deadpool you can expect some meta jokes

[Uncanny X-Man]

Since it's Deadpool you can expect some meta jokes

It really is a Deadpool (and Wolverine) kill the Fox universe!

I wanna hear all the jokes about the characters not aging and the non-existing continuity LOL

[Batman Begins 2005]

Really like Wolverine's costume though I'd still prefer sleeveless.