Yeah...literally this.
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It's so easy that DC has never made Diana explicitly attracted to women outside of one elseworld that most peopledon't know about. If you think Diana getting a girlfriend won't be controversial, especially for people who ship her with Steve, Clark, Bruce, etc, I've got some land on the moon to sell you.
Conservative mothers aren't likely to let their daughters read Wonder Woman unless she's explicitly written in a way to appeal to their worldview. Meaning they'll likely only let them read her comic if she's being written by Frank Miller or Ethan Van Scrier. Why you care so much what conservatives think of Wonder Woman, I don't know.
You keep going on about stereotypes but don't seem to know what that word means, nor do you seem to know the difference between bisexual and gay. What stereotypes is Diana falling into by being attracted to both men and women and what the hell does that have to do with nature vs nurture? The lgbt fans who ship Diana with women don't see anything offensive or stereotypical about it, so this comes across faux concern masking dislike of Diana having a girlfriend.
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Conservatives don't think at all, so why should we be thinking of them? The LAST think Diana's book should be 'appealing' to is conservative world views, it should be trying to get people out of them.
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From a business standpoint, I can kinda see where Koriand'r is coming from. But I also don't think DC is dumb enough to think conservatives know or care about Wonder Woman beyond "she's hot".
To play devils advocate, only liberals know or care about Wonder Woman besides the fact that she is 'hot'? That is how I am interpreting your argument.
These are the kind of hyperbolic arguments that leads to political disagreements. Let's stop with how we group certain pools of people and assume we know all about them. I am definitely fiscally conservative but you don't know my social values. I tend towards libertarian, so can you group me somewhere in your political bible about how I view Wonder Woman?
Most conservatives would view Diana as indoctrination of their children before we even get into what her sexual orientation would be. Her just existing in a narrative heavily skewed towards non-traditional feminity is enough to get them to want to avoid her. Would we have to avoid acknowledging she was raised by two women, Hippolyta and Philippus? This thought process is what lead to inserting Zeus into her origin to make her more heteronormative.
Most of Diana's sizeable LGBT fanbase doesn't see anything regressive about it, and they would be the ones to ask, right? So why not treat it as a non-issue? Especially in the versions where she has other Amazons children around as peers that can grow into her girlfriends. And the Perez run established that there are straight Amazons who "embrace the way of Narcissus" in the absence of men. Considering how easily she begins to explore her attraction to men, it's pretty clear there is some diversity in Amazon sexuality so she isn't being influenced by anything. It's more of a strawman to just dismiss her queerness.
As of today, it seems the Red Wave didn't make as much of a splash as it was projected to. Even if it turns out that it will, it's not Wonder Woman's job to appeal to those values. That's the last thing that should be done to her as a symbol, at least when it comes to the values that lead to Roe v Wade being overturned.
Good non argument from you.
Can we assume that you will still keep up with the hyperbolic arguments and stereotyping people with your generalities?
And what are my thoughts on Wonder Woman? Besides wanting her to be powerful as she should be, and of course be able to fly in any medium, what else do you know on my thoughts about Wonder Woman? I am willing to bet that you don't know much at all.
In retrospect I have to agree with all of this.
Thanks for trying to see my point of view, it's greatly appreciated.
Honestly when I wrote that last night I was too terrified to look at the early election results and was filled with an overwhelming sense of dread. The sky was falling, the world was ending and my personal political values had been rejected by the unwashed masses, or so I thought! In the cool light of a new day it became apparent I should have had more faith. All wasn't lost, we held our own and gave as good as we got.
As for the rest I'll address it when I annihilate Agent Z's little argument. lol
Are you trying to call me stupid without calling me stupid? It really does seem like it.
Let me say this slowly so you may possibly understand. The first stereotype I was referring to is that physically strong, atheletic women are same sex oriented. Gay or bi it doesn't matter to the right, it's a distinction without a difference. They only see "other" at best, and "deplorable deviants" at worse.
The second stereotype I was speaking of is that gay people have gay children due to their close proximity to and their normalization of homosexuality. However we all know that's not true, because most gay people have straight parents and their parent's heterosexuality didn't rub off on them. Therefore it irks me when posters say something to the effect of "she's from an island with only women so she MUST be same sex oriented". That's the nature vs. nurture part I was talking about.
Okay now let me change tack and tactics. Forget everything else I mentioned and imagine a little gay boy who loves Wonder Woman. He lives vicariously through her because she's powerful and pretty and magical and has an unlimited wardrobe of cool clothes she can change into at a moments notice. She has a wholly feminine world view, she wears bracelets and a tiara and the only boys around are either bad guys she beats up, or handsome men who fall hopelessly in love with her.
It's nice isn't it?
But wait, now she also has a girlfriend. That takes the little gay boy out of the equation because he can't envision himself as her anymore because the last thing he wants is a girlfriend. It's not that he dislikes bisexuals or lesbians it's that this new girlfriend changes the dynamic and pushes him out of his fantasy. Even though everything else I said is also true, therein lies the crux of my personal problem with the situation.
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