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    Whelp, reactions to this should be interesting lol.

    Morrison's thought processes make for an insightful read. I don't agree with everything they say, but I do see the merit of some of it.

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    The result would turn out to be one of my least popular pieces of writing, described as ‘woke nonsense’, ‘lefty fascism’, ‘misogynistic’ and ‘hateful sexist, misandristic propaganda’!..
    Oh now, that's just absurd.

    Earth One wishes it were woke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Oh now, that's just absurd.

    Earth One wishes it were woke.
    Hasn't presented people from making that criticism.

    The reactions to it have been hyperbolic to the extreme coming from multiple angles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    Hasn't presented people from making that criticism.
    They're wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    They're wrong.
    They are. But some of the others are up for debate too.

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    Definitely an interesting read. I'm curious to know if Morrison went into it knowing their very specific approach to the occult/Kabbalah through Wonder Woman pastiche was already done by Alan Moore not once, but twice (Glory and Promethea - Promethea transcended the pastiche, but the idea for the book started with Glory).

    I think it also touches on a problem I had with Earth One. Really thematically unfocused. They wanted to explore occult themes, Marston's ideology (somehow as both straight take and critique), modern feminism, misandry, and radical politics and all of it mixed into a self-contradictory, jumbled, and at times outright offensive mess, especially when they tried to incorporate race in the mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bardkeep View Post
    Definitely an interesting read. I'm curious to know if Morrison went into it knowing their very specific approach to the occult/Kabbalah through Wonder Woman pastiche was already done by Alan Moore not once, but twice (Glory and Promethea - Promethea transcended the pastiche, but the idea for the book started with Glory).

    I think it also touches on a problem I had with Earth One. Really thematically unfocused. They wanted to explore occult themes, Marston's ideology (somehow as both straight take and critique), modern feminism, misandry, and radical politics and all of it mixed into a self-contradictory, jumbled, and at times outright offensive mess, especially when they tried to incorporate race in the mix.
    I wonder if an ongoing run the length of their Batman run would have been better suited to tackle their ideas. A co-author may be good too. I'd actually kill to have Morrison and Jimenez do that together.

    A trilogy of one shots is not enough space to explore all that, so like you say it become a jumbled mess. One I still enjoy as it's own weird little side thing that isn't disrupting anything, and has some great isolated scenes, but they are right that it's the weakest of their mainstream work.

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    Hemal Jhaveri: I want to take a minute to acknowledge that, for a lot of people, I am in the inner sanctum. [Points to Wonder Woman photo on the wall.] Holy moly. That is gorgeous.

    Zack Snyder:
    That’s the original. My friend Steve Berkman took this before we hired Patty [Patty Jenkins, who directed the two Wonder Woman films].

    Wow, do people know this exists?

    The dorks know it exists. When I started it, I wanted a Wonder Woman that was not necessarily naive. Not necessarily, like, a virgin. Actually, there’s one line in the Wonder Woman movie that I originally wrote. When they’re on the boat and talking about, like, the treatises on sexual pleasure, she says [to Steve Trevor], “You wouldn’t like it because it concludes that men, though important for reproduction, are not necessary for pleasure.” That was my contribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Oh now, that's just absurd.

    Earth One wishes it were woke.
    I appreciate that they're willing to admit it's one of their least popular pieces of writing. Earth One is really mediocre and not even remotely close to Morrison's other work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    Hemal Jhaveri: I want to take a minute to acknowledge that, for a lot of people, I am in the inner sanctum. [Points to Wonder Woman photo on the wall.] Holy moly. That is gorgeous.

    Zack Snyder:
    That’s the original. My friend Steve Berkman took this before we hired Patty [Patty Jenkins, who directed the two Wonder Woman films].

    Wow, do people know this exists?

    The dorks know it exists. When I started it, I wanted a Wonder Woman that was not necessarily naive. Not necessarily, like, a virgin. Actually, there’s one line in the Wonder Woman movie that I originally wrote. When they’re on the boat and talking about, like, the treatises on sexual pleasure, she says [to Steve Trevor], “You wouldn’t like it because it concludes that men, though important for reproduction, are not necessary for pleasure.” That was my contribution.

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    Ah yes because nothing says "im not naive nor a virgin" quite like severed heads lol

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    Extremely excited to read this, I’ve loved Morrison’s annotations for Multiveristy and Superman & The Authority, this should be an interesting read. If they’re doing all three books I can’t wait to see what their interpretation of the ending of Book 3 stands for. It’s amusing to read Morrison call out how Earth One failed to be an Ultimate DC because everyone just went and did their own thing, that’s on editorial.
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    At least we got Earth One Etta out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    Hemal Jhaveri: I want to take a minute to acknowledge that, for a lot of people, I am in the inner sanctum. [Points to Wonder Woman photo on the wall.] Holy moly. That is gorgeous.

    Zack Snyder:
    That’s the original. My friend Steve Berkman took this before we hired Patty [Patty Jenkins, who directed the two Wonder Woman films].

    Wow, do people know this exists?

    The dorks know it exists. When I started it, I wanted a Wonder Woman that was not necessarily naive. Not necessarily, like, a virgin. Actually, there’s one line in the Wonder Woman movie that I originally wrote. When they’re on the boat and talking about, like, the treatises on sexual pleasure, she says [to Steve Trevor], “You wouldn’t like it because it concludes that men, though important for reproduction, are not necessary for pleasure.” That was my contribution.

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    Nothing new here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    At least we got Earth One Etta out of it.
    Best Etta I’ve read other than Marston.
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