Are there any Mutant Supremacist?

[Lucyinthesky]

How about mutants who believe in doing that to anyone not mutant? Apocalypse is on the Council and was given free reign do what he wanted. "Survival of the fittest" is a belief he never gave up, he thought the X-men finally bought into it. Not to long ago he tried to create the conditions for Age of Apocalypse by exploiting the Decimation, as well. "Protecting people" is a very popular tactic for regimes and terrorist groups to convert people with propaganda, it's what the various mutant supremacist groups have made their bones doing while trying to murder the X-men whenever they stop them for hurting people and generally making mutants look bad by association. Magneto himself was made to be a mutant who became a monster he fought against after WW2, he's literally why the X-men were formed to stop and he's regressed significantly from not being ok with humans being equals any longer unlike when he ruled Genosha and even than he tried to conquer humanity with war.

Since the destruction of Genosha and after HoM Magneto has stopped trying to conquer the world and just develop a place to help mutants, he already had that character journey before but editorial needed him to become a villain again after Claremont left sigh but well. Post Hom and after Utopia fell he talked about this with a mental image from Xavier, that´s also why he formed a new X-men team with the young 05 X-men, after Scott and Wolverine died, because he thought the X-men needed to still be a superhero group outside the school while Storm and Kitty took care of the younger generation of mutants. Then X-man kidnapped him and the other X-men to his Age of X-man world and post that here we are on Krakoa. It´s not out of character for the X-men to trust or work with Magneto, he actually has been their ally for years now.

Krakoa´s economic development is not about taking control of the world it´s about stopping Orchis from getting the economic strenght to attack them with sentinels and that´s pretty much it since they don´t even have war protocols in place for their country.

What Cyclops did was controversial even to the other X-men. In Krakoa Democrat isn't a thing, when Emma asked about an election he shrugged it off as if it was "coming" but he was in no rush to do it. And for Krkaoa to have second class citizens requires them to have large groups to suppress, instead they went harsher they kept everyone out, with a few exceptions. But if you're not on a minisucle list, even if you're been a friend for years simple tourism is not an option. Krakoa judges first and foremost on someone being 'right' by their DNA, this is policy which remains to questioned generally by its citizens as being wrong.

Anyone can ask for permission to enter Krakoa, visas work that way as well in the real world.

[Zelena]

Not the same. Hitler always had the intention of creating racial hierarchy and genocide. He didn't just stumble upon it while fixing the economy or "protecting his people". Him "protecting people" did not include every German. Not the German Jews, "Rhineland bastards", disabled Germans, German communist, German Romani, non-heterosexual germans, germans who disagreed with him etc.

Krakoa has racial hierarchy, it’s quite obvious: a empty land filled with mutants and only mutants.

[Lucyinthesky]

Yes and countries around the world have citizens from that country and there are countries with more strict inmigration control than others.
Despite this inside story they already have been attacked three times on their territory so them being closed off makes sense.

[Glio]

I could not travel to the United States without asking permission. The United States is therefore as supremacist as Krakoa.

[Lucyinthesky]

Me neither, I need a visa or a passport if I want to travel to Europe, the US or Canada and some countries in South america. A visa involves time, money and even a exam in some cases so I guess I just don´t see the X-men asking for permission to enter Krakoa as a supremacist move.

[OopsIdiditagain]

Krakoa has racial hierarchy, it’s quite obvious: a empty land filled with mutants and only mutants.

That's not a hierarchy, that's immigration. Family of the mutants are allowed to stay there like Northstar's husband. How is Krakoa different from real world countries with incredibly restrictive immigration regulations? The type of countries where only kids and spouses of current citizens have the best chance of staying there longterm.

Are Japan, South Korea and Switzerland supremacist?

[Steel Inquisitor]

Since the destruction of Genosha and after HoM Magneto has stopped trying to conquer the world and just develop a place to help mutants, he already had that character journey before but editorial needed him to become a villain again after Claremont left sigh but well. Post Hom and after Utopia fell he talked about this with a mental image from Xavier, that´s also why he formed a new X-men team with the young 05 X-men, after Scott and Wolverine died, because he thought the X-men needed to still be a superhero group outside the school while Storm and Kitty took care of the younger generation of mutants. Then X-man kidnapped him and the other X-men to his Age of X-man world and post that here we are on Krakoa. It´s not out of character for the X-men to trust or work with Magneto, he actually has been their ally for years now.

Magneto's still about conquering the world, he just switched to economics and getting into Cold (X-Force) and hot wars (Excalibur) with other nations. He's nicer, but he's not a pacifist who gave up trying to conquer humanity. He gloated to their faces he's using Krkaoa to do this. Magneto's relationship with the 05 is complicated, they literally went to the future to stop him creating the Brotherhood again and had to fight him to stop him killing Emma Frost. The X-men's rlatiosnhip with Magneto as a group is far more, well, complex than that - he's not their buddy. He's switched on and off again from being their ally for years, even after Decimation. That's why it's so strange to see them become his foot soldiers with Krakoa, they were never this trusting of him. Wolverine peed in his helmet, but there should be far more behavior like that in his direction and Logan should be getting high fives for that sort of thing considering what he's put the X-men though. His influence on Xavier has been unsettling.

Krakoa´s economic development is not about taking control of the world it´s about stopping Orchis from getting the economic strenght to attack them with sentinels and that´s pretty much it since they don´t even have war protocols in place for their country.

Magneto openly says a big priority is to weaponise economics of numerous countries to change them into how they want to be from the inside. Unless they're complete idiots the Quiet Council should have had that up and running ages ago, theyre not a country poor in man power or individuals with extraordinary talents - they have walking nukes sitting in the Councils seats and veteran members from numerous terrorist groups and super-hero paramilitary groups. Orchis

Anyone can ask for permission to enter Krakoa, visas work that way as well in the real world.

And yet they're still a society composed mainly of mutants, and have an island obsessed with making any non-mutants monitoring them 24/7 because it's crazy racist. Considering how dangerous the original Krkaoa was this one is surprisingly docile when strangers come calling.

I could not travel to the United States without asking permission. The United States is therefore as supremacist as Krakoa.

America is a difficult country to get a visa too, however, they never could have turned people down simply because of what nation they come from or their religion - until recently. The latter applies to Krakoa, being the wrong race is all it takes to keep someone out of the country. America used to have a robust tourist industry and high numbers in legal immigrants, until Trump. Krakao never opened its "gates" for either when both would help it economically.

[Lucyinthesky]

Emma forced magneto to kill mutants under his care around the same time she made an alliance with Bastion and Ms Sinister so he was furious with her, the X-men managed to call him down and he left without hurting her and working together is not the same as being "foot soldiers" of anybody. Logan was being a drama queen given he actually got to stab magneto more than once and charles erased his mind but sure lest pretend nothing like that happened.

See obviously Magneto is using the X-men as his foot soldiers here and he´s secretly trying to conque the world lol







I actually love how Magneto told Scott he wanted to go teach at the school again especially since Scott was angry with Logan there XD so his response was just like "seriously?

[OopsIdiditagain]

And yet they're still a society composed mainly of mutants, and have an island obsessed with making any non-mutants monitoring them 24/7 because it's crazy racist. Considering how dangerous the original Krkaoa was this one is surprisingly docile when strangers come calling.



America is a difficult country to get a visa too, however, they never could have turned people down simply because of what nation they come from or their religion - until recently. The latter applies to Krakoa, being the wrong race is all it takes to keep someone out of the country. America used to have a robust tourist industry and high numbers in legal immigrants, until Trump.

America has historically discriminated in immigration laws by Nationality and Ethnicity way before Trump even entered the elections in 2016. Have you heard of the Red Scare?


They restricted black immigrants from the Caribbean and Africa because they didn't want anymore black people. They created barriers for catholic immigrants from Southern and Eastern Europe.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Quota_Act

They restricted Asian immigrants:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924
This law also harmed jewish people's ability to immigrate too.

America has made laws with the intention of stopping one ethnic group or race's ability to immigrate there multiple times in history. The only difference with Krakoa is that it's not a fictional country filled with superhumans who can stop all types of illegal immigration from happening. But if America could trust back in the 1920s there would be a large amount of Italian or Eastern Europeans in the USA. And they did manage to keep the number of black immigrants from Africa low until the barriers were broken.

On the topic of surveying or holding known non-Krakoans under scrutiny. That's the immigrant experience lol. Did you know after 9/11 the USA started monitoring muslim immigrants to the USA?
https://thewellesleynews.com/2020/03...lim-americans/

Krakao never opened its "gates" for either when both would help it economically

And I'm sure accepting more immigrants would help with Japan's economic issues related to their aging population but they're still reluctant to do that.

Switzerland only voted against not ending free movement with the EU after they saw how restricting immigration harmed their economy.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54316316

Countries adopt immigration policies that hurt their economy all the time. Doesn't make them supremacist

[cranger]

I could not travel to the United States without asking permission. The United States is therefore as supremacist as Krakoa.

That is citizenship and pretty much all countries are that way. The difference is Krakoan citizenship is based on genetics. In fact, Krakoa has told the world that all mutants, even those who are citizens of other countries, are to be treated differently including being immune to all other countries laws. Based on genetics.

As soon as the US (you really like trolling Americans it seems) starts to base citizenship and protections based on genetics, they will be supremacist. Since you like to poke the bear so much, you should be aware that is pretty much a big part of US politics right now anyway.

[Omega Alpha]

That is citizenship and pretty much all countries are that way. The difference is Krakoan citizenship is based on genetics. In fact, Krakoa has told the world that all mutants, even those who are citizens of other countries, are to be treated differently including being immune to all other countries laws. Based on genetics.

As soon as the US (you really like trolling Americans it seems) starts to base citizenship and protections based on genetics, they will be supremacist. Since you like to poke the bear so much, you should be aware that is pretty much a big part of US politics right now anyway.

Pretty much every country adopt the jus sanguinis criteria mixed with jus soli to some extent- meaning your nationality is based on either where you're born and/or who're you descended from. Many countries give citizenship to people who are distantly descended from them. Krakoa just takes the jus sanguinis criteria more literally, because one can identify who's a mutant or not, by, well, blood or any form of detector or test.

Difference from regular people is that: a) You an objectively verify if someone is a mutant by genetics; b) Mutants are being murdered and harassed constantly because of their genetics.

[yogaflame]

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White supremacy is baked into America at the foundation. It was built with 'manifest destiny'. The German Nazi's studied and emulated the techniques Americans used against Natives and Africans. The Americans imported the Nazi's after the war, let them spearhead programs like NASA and the CIA.

It is obvious for those that see.

[cranger]

Pretty much every country adopt the jus sanguinis criteria mixed with jus soli to some extent- meaning your nationality is based on either where you're born and/or who're you descended from. Many countries give citizenship to people who are distantly descended from them. Krakoa just takes the jus sanguinis criteria more literally, because one can identify who's a mutant or not, by, well, blood or any form of detector or test.

Difference from regular people is that: a) You an objectively verify if someone is a mutant by genetics; b) Mutants are being murdered and harassed constantly because of their genetics.

I agree with this. It is not just a matter of what they are doing, but why. Despite my interpretation of Hickman's story, at the moment Krakoa is a safe haven with the means to exert its will where needed. That said, I find it hard to argue against people who see more going on as the story should be left open for people to think this way.

[Zelena]

That's not a hierarchy, that's immigration. Family of the mutants are allowed to stay there like Northstar's husband. How is Krakoa different from real world countries with incredibly restrictive immigration regulations? The type of countries where only kids and spouses of current citizens have the best chance of staying there longterm.

Are Japan, South Korea and Switzerland supremacist?

Hierarchy in ideology, yes, if not in fact.

It’s well-known that insular nations are far less tolerant than the rest for obvious reasons.

[OopsIdiditagain]

As soon as the US (you really like trolling Americans it seems) starts to base citizenship and protections based on genetics, they will be supremacist. Since you like to poke the bear so much, you should be aware that is pretty much a big part of US politics right now anyway.

They already have, have you seen the eugenics stunts they pulled to justify stopping irish people from immigrating to America?


See this is my issue people hold Krakoa to standards they wouldn't use on real nations. Krakoa acting as a normal political entity is viewed as them being evil.