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    Larraz and Silva pretty much are synonymous with this current era despite not being regulars on any of the ongoings

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    Bachalo's early Gen X art was beautiful. I haven't enjoyed his art in decades. All his female costumes look the same these days, either black leather with the breasts and belly button out or some kind of weird ballet tutu.
    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    Larraz and Silva pretty much are synonymous with this current era despite not being regulars on any of the ongoings
    They're responsible for the design work on the various concepts synonymous with Krakoa now, right? No matter who draws any of those things, we'll always be reminded of the guys who designed them and drew them first so beautifully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwatson View Post
    This makes no sense. If you want to read a book only then go write a novel. Comics are sold 60% because of the art. I can't imagine anyone buying half the drivel that has been written over the decades if it was in novel format or had Greg Land art. I know i wouldn't touch it.

    And how would an artist stand out to get more work if it was just a standard cookie cutter style. this sounds like a minimization of half the talent in comics.
    You wouldn’t, I would… I don’t remember in any comic I liked swooning over the artwork.
    It was years later that I remarked, these comic artists were great… It is by no means minimization: it is just talent that is not showy.
    But, it is possible, the comic market has changed a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    You wouldn’t, I would… I don’t remember in any comic I liked swooning over the artwork.
    It was years later that I remarked, these comic artists were great… It is by no means minimization: it is just talent that is not showy.
    But, it is possible, the comic market has changed a lot.
    Art is certainly important to not only describe the narrative but also it's aesthetics. Without sequential art you can't communicate characters and their emotions, aesthetics to the audience because it has narrative of a graphic novel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vishop View Post
    Art is certainly important to not only describe the narrative but also it's aesthetics. Without sequential art you can't communicate characters and their emotions, aesthetics to the audience because it has narrative of a graphic novel.
    Certainly, art is important but when you read the story, you are immersed in the story… so being able to appreciate an artwork is done later.

    And most of talent of a comic artist is in the choice of point of views, the transition between panels, the pace of the narration, the capacity to draw anything, to convey feelings… all things that are not obvious at first glance. It’s not a small amount of job and skills.
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    60s: Kirby and Neal Adams
    70s: Byrne and Cockrum
    80s: Paul Smith and Silvestri
    90s: Jim Lee and Joe Madureira
    00s: Quitely and Cassaday
    10s: Immonen and Bachalo

    Bachalo has a long history drawing the X-men.
    But in the 10s he had the opportunity to redesign them.
    You may like it or not, but his X-visor Cyclops and his Magik are iconical.

    And Immonen is the most important artist in ALL mainstream comic book industry in the 10s.
    So he gets on this list easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutant X View Post
    60s: Kirby and Neal Adams
    70s: Byrne and Cockrum
    80s: Paul Smith and Silvestri
    90s: Jim Lee and Joe Madureira
    00s: Quitely and Cassaday
    10s: Immonen and Bachalo

    Bachalo has a long history drawing the X-men.
    But in the 10s he had the opportunity to redesign them.
    You may like it or not, but his X-visor Cyclops and his Magik are iconical.

    And Immonen is the most important artist in ALL mainstream comic book industry in the 10s.
    So he gets on this list easily.
    I think this is spot on.

    I'm trying to think of a challenge to the idea of Immonen being most important artist in mainstream comics in the 2010s, it feels like he was never a superstar the way we think of other decade defining artists but I cannot think of who else it would be?

    David Aja? Marcos Martin? David Finch? Chris Samnee? Capullo? Ribic? Walta? Gerads? McKelvie?

    Gosh in terms of influence its CLEARLY Immonen if you look at Marvel's house style now.

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    Probably Cassady from Astonishing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woozie View Post
    It's Bachalo and for one reason alone.

    He's defined how a lot of characters look now. Cyclops, Magneto and Magik (And Rogue before they reset her to 90s nostalgia) all get their current designs from him.
    He's definitely been the most used in the past 10 years. I'll even go further hes been probably used the most consistantly since the 90's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hcmarvel View Post
    I think this is spot on.

    I'm trying to think of a challenge to the idea of Immonen being most important artist in mainstream comics in the 2010s, it feels like he was never a superstar the way we think of other decade defining artists but I cannot think of who else it would be?

    David Aja? Marcos Martin? David Finch? Chris Samnee? Capullo? Ribic? Walta? Gerads? McKelvie?

    Gosh in terms of influence its CLEARLY Immonen if you look at Marvel's house style now.
    Steve McNiven would be up there too.

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    McNiven's big book is Civil War and that's the previous decade. What work did McNiven do in the 2010s that people remember?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hcmarvel View Post
    McNiven's big book is Civil War and that's the previous decade. What work did McNiven do in the 2010s that people remember?
    Uncanny Avengers, Secret Empire, Death of Wolverine, Guardians of the Galaxy

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    Opena for the Uncanny X-Force costumes. Core team would be Quietly, Cassaday and Bachalo.
    You brought back Wolverine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    Certainly, art is important but when you read the story, you are immersed in the story… so being able to appreciate an artwork is done later.

    And most of talent of a comic artist is in the choice of point of views, the transition between panels, the pace of the narration, the capacity to draw anything, to convey feelings… all things that are not obvious at first glance. It’s not a small amount of job and skills.
    You cannot be immersed in a story without art especially with the type of narrative that is used in comics.

    Yes thats the point. Comic artists are half responsible of deciding how the story turns out and which direction or genre your going in. Like for instance there is a whole lot of difference between Sandman and X-Men because you can generally recognize difference between the style of art is used in both and not just because they are different. X-Men too have certain dark fantasy comics.
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    Bachalo sure put out a lot of work on the x-books this past decade and came up with some memorable redesigns, though I would say nothing tops his GenX work. And one can clearly see the influence of Immonen on Larraz and Silva's work (hell, Silva was the poor man's Immonen for a while).

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