When she says "let me know when you need a mutant to walk you through the gate" what does that mean exactly? Can you walk a human through the gate as long as you're holding hands or something?
When she says "let me know when you need a mutant to walk you through the gate" what does that mean exactly? Can you walk a human through the gate as long as you're holding hands or something?
Last edited by Frostfire; 10-17-2020 at 06:36 PM.
Fine, I was trying to be nice. But Betsy is awful. Just an awful protagonist and a terrible leader. She's done almost nothing but fight generic soldiers of Morgan's and do whatever Apocalypse wants, which has involved making war on the Otherworld that Captain Britain is supposed to protect. Given that she's supposed to be the leader of Excalibur this entire mess with Arrako is partially her fault, because she aided and abetted Apocalypse with her team in causing this disaster for the rest of Krakoa. So what if I'm not familiar with her ridiculous backstory involving body stealing a sexy ninja lady. This comic has utterly failed at making her compelling, interesting or likable. This is supposed to be a new turning point for her, so an ideal jumping on point for the character. But she has so failed at leadership I actively want the mantle taken from her. She doesn't deserve it.
She didn't steal anyone's body. That's just revisionist history pushed by Marvel to make themselves look less racist.
I can't fault you for not liking her though. Hell, she's my favorite character and I can't bring myself to like her in this title either. Marvel took away her codename, personality and iconography and given it to Kwannon, so that they can keep making money off of the asian ninja stereotype without the past baggage. Kwannon now is essentially what Besty has been for decades, while Betsy...I guess she's an "entitled princess" by Howard's own words.
That was actually a mistake on Fabian Nicieza's part which he's admitted to several times over the decades. He got the history about Betsy's transformation into Asian Ninja Action Girl wrong and made it like she swapped bodies, not that her original British body was heavily modified.
I quite enjoyed Outback Betsy. Put her in a cowl and cape again but make the armour psionic this time, retain her telekinetic weapons, and bring back her precognitive flashes. Hell, have her be the one to expose Moira X! Most importantly, find something for her to do that doesn't involve disadvantaging other heroes and stealing from them.I can't fault you for not liking her though. Hell, she's my favorite character and I can't bring myself to like her in this title either. Marvel took away her codename, personality and iconography and given it to Kwannon, so that they can keep making money off of the asian ninja stereotype without the past baggage. Kwannon now is essentially what Besty has been for decades, while Betsy...I guess she's an "entitled princess" by Howard's own words.
I honestly stopped reading this title at issue #3 so I can only speak up until that point... but I really didn't enjoy those issues of Excalibur aka Apocalypse's solo title featuring Betsy and Rictor. Hopefully the title will end after XoS removes any reason for it to exist. Fallen Angels ended (I know, for writer-based reasons). Maybe this needs to end, too, and then the franchise can focus beyond magic into space with S.W.⨂.R.D. for the cosmic side of things.
Originally Posted by The General, JLA #38
Here's the real question. Why the bloody hell are ANY OF THEM THERE?!
To follow Apocalypse and help him achiever whatever it is that he wants to achieve, all without really being skeptic about anything or having any doubts, Jubilee is too busy worrying about her kid to do anything else...
No, I don't mean excalibur. I mean, why are betsy, Brian and Jamie at the Starlight citadel?
Avalon is where the portal is.
That was you trying to be nice?
I am sorry notpokeman fan, but read more before judging a character by only one bad written arc and what you superficially know. I don't love Excalibur either, but I have 40 years of publication to enjoy my favorite character being written well several times. As very capable, a good leader and a great protagonist.
Go put you hate somewhere else. Don't like it? Guess what: nobody is forcing you to read it.
Remember, these are fictional characters, they're just as good as the writers in charge of developing them, make them be. And Tini is not the best there is right now, specially because we have so many good ones on the other x-books right now. Kwannon was weird in Fallen Angels and now she's amazing in Hellions. Is she the worse for that? No. She just got a good writer that likes and understands her.
But by any means, keep pouring in your superficial impressions on the internet right? Superficiality seems to be the tone nowadays online right?
A picture would last longer darling...
This isn't the Betsy Braddock fan page. I don't go into there to talk about how awful the character is. Those pages are specifically for fans, and you'd be right to criticize me if I went into the Betsy, or Emma, or Apocalypse pages and ranted about how awful they are. This is the Excalibur topic, and if a character is being terribly written in Excalibur this is the exact place to talk about it. That even on this topic people are going back and forth about being unsure about whether Betsy is a body snatcher tells me that I'm not the only one who finds her backstory confusing. I am well within my right to find a character terrible. If she's your favorite, fine. But based on what I'm reading in the series going on right now, she's a terrible character and terrible protagonist, TO ME. You don't get to tell me I can't express my opinion here.
I swear something like that happened in X-force early on, but its been a while and I might be wrong. I thought they did something with parts of Domino.